# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/602 "2020-02-24T01:27:41Z")
> **[Forbidden Knowledge, Part 1](http://www.minerbumping.com/2020/02/forbidden-knowledge-part-1.html)** > > Silent Company is a highsec carebear alliance with over 9,000 members. Why do so many join Silent Company? For the perks--like getting thes... Ty for nominating me for my very own article on [minerbumping.com](http://minerbumping.com)! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/603 "2020-02-24T05:16:16Z")
Yep, idiot of the week. ---
**Author:** ![Commander\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_kane/32/199755_2.png) [@Commander\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commander_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/604 "2020-02-24T07:10:16Z")
hmmm… You guys need to manage your comments a bit better on your site. On that one post alone that carebear for life linked it is already a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![Commander\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_kane/32/199755_2.png) [@Commander\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commander_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/606 "2020-02-24T07:31:35Z")
Then disable them. It really is that simple. I doubt it just the carebears posting that crap. The worst ones came from what appears to be supporters of CODE. Obviously hearsay because they are doing it anon as they themselves would not like their names attached to those comments. And you are correct it is a slippery slope but there needs to be a line. but I digress… continue this posting charade. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/607 "2020-02-24T07:37:09Z")
Well, if you disable the comments, then there is no discussion at all. Your solution to the dilemma posed by freedom of speech is basically to prevent any and all speech. That’s certainly not ideal. Taking your argument a step further, we might conclude that NO WEBSITES should be permitted on the internet, unless they are themselves moderated by some third party organization. Why would we trust people to run their own website, if we can’t trust them to post in a forum? Why not extend that logic to tabloids, newspapers, and people walking down the street? Where do you draw the line? I don’t know, the US Supreme Court doesn’t know, and I think you probably don’t know either. I think the easiest solution is to simply let people say whatever they want, because trying to control them is more effort than it’s worth. I mean, that’s really the point of the First Amendment to the American constitution. Once you start to moderate offensive comments on a blog, it’s one slippery slope to totalitarian government. Mortgage Specialist v. Implode-Explode Heavy Industries (2010) is an interesting case, which builds upon Near v. Minnesota (1931) and New York Times v. United States (1971). The main takeaway here is that the courts do not see it as their responsibility to moderate speech, and will not issue a cease and desist to halt the publication of potentially defamatory statements. Instead, if you feel defamed, it is your responsibility to file a lawsuit and the content will only be forcibly removed after your case is formally heard in court. I don’t think you can criticize James for adopting a policy identical to that of the US government. Users of the internet are expected to moderate themselves. You are free to volunteer as a moderator, but you can’t expect every website operator to spend their valuable and limited time on this. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/609 "2020-02-24T17:42:07Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > Please, pretty please … do not say his name three times! > > Dare I ask who this guy is, that his very name inspires such fear? Salvos Rhoska … check his forum activities to get an idea. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/610 "2020-02-24T17:45:32Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/611 "2020-02-24T17:50:40Z")
I do not sense his spirit here. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/612 "2020-02-24T18:03:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yep, idiot of the week. Lol somebody is jealous 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/613 "2020-02-24T18:07:54Z")
Jealous of what? People are laughing at you. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/614 "2020-02-24T18:12:11Z")
It’s a concept he isnt familiar with. He does not know the idea of shame, or self ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/615 "2020-02-24T18:16:35Z")
I bet he does, he just hides it and over-compensates with bluster. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/616 "2020-02-24T18:50:47Z")
> **[Proteus | Selena Leon | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81861881/)** > > Selena Leon (Incompetent and Proud) lost their Proteus in Audaerne (Sinq Laison) Total Value: 536,518,623.79 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/617 "2020-02-24T20:01:39Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > I thought it is considered a some form of ban evasion, usually. Would be cool if EVE does not follow the pattern and allows playing from alts even for banned characters. I didn’t see anything like that when I looked at [their suspension and ban policy](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/), but I _did_ notice they repeatedly say how breaching their EULA will result in them banning “an account”. Not _all_ accounts, _an_ account. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Sure… I have seen them both team up and gank together and talk to each other when loyal was actually still around on an alt. But whatever, what do we know. Is there proof of that you can offer? It might get Dracvlad to lay off on that front, if only for a little while. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I already demonstrated it statistically across the entire code alliance. But Aiko Danuja would be one example. Like many code players she usually hangs out a few jumps out of some starter systems and targets mainly ventures with the odd T1 barge. ~~Hogwash. Even a cursory glance at [her Zkill profile](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114209292/) shows how many exhumers, freighters, faction battleships, and even marauders she’s killed.~~ Edit: As @Lucas_Kell pointed out [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/621), I failed to account for the graph @Scipio_Artelius posted of Aiko’s kills when I wrote this reply. Mea culpa. 😔 > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Noobs don’t buy mining permits because they are getting scammed, they pay because they had fun, and they like me. Really? Well, that’s nice to hear. With all the bile getting thrown around here I got the impression you folks weren’t much liked. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > He can just not even try and make the excuse he was in the wrong ship > > ags finest Honestly, I would _love_ it if someone managed to oust him from his position and turned the AG movement into a respectable opponent to you guys that provided more fun content. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Shrug. Who cares if they quit? They can’t even figure out a simple rule like “don’t fly anything you can’t afford to lose”, they’re almost certainly going to quit soon anyway. At best maybe CCP gets another $15 payment before they do, but they’re still gone. As much as I wish it wasn’t the case, you’re probably right, though I do wonder if there’s a way to make the learning curve more gradual without watering down the game any. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > As Aiko also pointed out (and maybe she has lots of logs and evemails), new character doesn’t directly equate to new player, though it’s the best approach we have for measuring “newb” state in the game. How many new characters were flying ships they’d have to inject into? Those were probably alts, though I’m sure there were a few credit card warriors amongst them. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Not at all. We can use common sense, and talk to miners, and realize that most of them are AFK mining while they do something else. They aren’t new at all, they are just AFK. Or just not paying attention, which amounts to the same thing. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yah, that’s why we refer to nullsec as the tutorial zone. Ganking is elite PvP, because you have to kill the ship before CONCORD can kill you. Right? That depends on the ship, really. Killing a well-fit freighter is much more impressive than killing a noob Venture, even if the freighter can only die fast enough when several dozen Catalysts are shooting it. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Gankers don’t care about loot or isk. They only care about the gank. Doing a little projecting here, Aiko. I can imagine how satisfying a player would find it to successfully gank a freighter and steal expensive loot from the wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/618 "2020-02-24T20:08:09Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > I can imagine how satisfying a player would find it to successfully gank a freighter and steal expensive loot from the wreck. Yeh, see, that’s what non-gankers really don’t understand. Gankers just want to shoot the carebears, we don’t care if loot drops, we just want your ship to explode. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/619 "2020-02-24T20:23:36Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > How many new characters were flying ships they’d have to inject into? You don’t need to inject into a Venture, which is what that was referring to from the plot earlier. So hopefully none. > [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > It might get Dracvlad to lay off on that front, if only for a little while. I doubt it. The guy is the central heroic figure of every one of his posts and doesn’t give a ■■■■ about anyone but himself, so I don’t think he has any ability for self restraint or laying off. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/621 "2020-02-24T20:39:27Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > How many accounts large is the Kushion family? I am sure he can not both gank and mine at the same time, can he? This presumes they’re all operated by the same person. For all we know there’s an actual family of EvE players operating those characters. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s personal. Talk to James if you want to know how he feels. Where _is_ he, anyway? He’s only got two posts on these forums and the last one was in 2017. Does he just not like it here or something? > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > But he is. The Game of Alts is like the Game of Thrones, except you turn into a paranoid madman when you lose instead of dying. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Kusion has _ **over a tril in just liquid isk** _, he couldn’t care less about isk anymore, as long as the gank succeeds hes happy. So since you lot fail nonstop and never save anyone from being ganked, hes always happy lmao Christ, if I was that rich I’d probably be welping ships into every fight I could find. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > What’s so wrong about that? Gankers openly and honestly say “I’m killing these people and taking their stuff”. The fact that you don’t like what they’re doing doesn’t make them any less honest about it. Well, CODE. really likes to play their game of pretend, so I can kinda see where he’s coming from, here. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Sounds like you’re a CODE. agent. Or a plant. He’s doing a _wonderful_ job of convincing me the AG crowd aren’t the sort of player I want to hang out with. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Like I said, ignore the substance of the argument in favor of nitpicking at irrelevant details. Thanks for admitting that you have nothing to say in defense of yourself and are nothing but a petty thug with delusions of grandeur. Oh, how I wish the moderators here would punish someone for arguing in bad faith. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > ROFLMAO. You don’t understand a thing. Again, neither is that why I was banned, nor am I angry about it. Why would I? I’m happy to not be there anymore… What enrages me is Dracvlad **lying** and making up stuff about me all the time, **not** having been banned from AG channels… I don’t know how you deal with this. I would have a concussion from banging my head against a wall by now if I were in your shoes. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yep, idiot of the week. You mean _just_ this week? > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I do not sense his spirit here. Mayhaps you shouldn’t jinx it… > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yeh, see, that’s what non-gankers really don’t understand. Gankers just want to shoot the carebears, we don’t care if loot drops, we just want your ship to explode. 🤷‍♂️ Maybe, maybe not. There’s no accounting for personal taste. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I doubt it. The guy is the central heroic figure of every one of his posts and doesn’t give a ■■■■ about anyone but himself, so I don’t think he has any ability for self restraint or laying off. I think that’s the central issue here. Both Dracvlad and CODE. act like they’re super-righteous, but the key difference between them is that Dracvlad actually believes he’s the hero in this argument. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Maybe you should stop using cursory glances as objective fact. There’s a graph in this very thread where Scipio broke down the stats, showing how she targets new players. > > Are you still trying to pretend you’re not a code alt? Fair point. I wrote that before seeing Scipio’s graph and forgot to delete it, though my glance at her killboard certainly wasn’t “cursory”. I went through ten pages of her kills, and what stood out to me was the number of barges she’d been ganking. I’ll edit in a correction to that post. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/622 "2020-02-24T20:47:37Z")
> [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > It’s a concept he isnt familiar with. He does not know the idea of shame, or self ridicule. I’m having a blast I dunno what your on about ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/623 "2020-02-24T20:48:01Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yeh, see, that’s what non-gankers really don’t understand. Gankers just want to shoot the carebears, we don’t care if loot drops, we just want your ship to explode. Can’t fight something that shoots back I see ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/624 "2020-02-24T21:08:25Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Can’t fight something that shoots back I see Her killboard has [a period in lowsec](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114209292/kills/year/2018/month/5/year/2018/month/6/year/2018/month/7/year/2018/month/8/year/2018/month/9/) just after starting out and has several capitals on it, I don’t think she’s afraid of taking fights that she could lose. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=30)