# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/721 "2020-02-26T03:13:31Z")
Yup, I’m not gonna undock while there is an exploit going on dummy, I sit in station and chat with the mates while playing other games, you may continue to cry 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/722 "2020-02-26T03:19:53Z")
Like I said, you failed as a leader. As soon as there’s the possibility of PvP you run and hide instead of killing them back until they beg you not to make the war mutual and destroy their corp. You can hide behind excuses all you want, but in the end the truth remains: you are a coward whose only response to adversity is to whine on the forums and beg CCP to remove it. And of course while you were hiding from your responsibilities your corp members undocked and died. Too bad they didn’t have their leader organizing support and protecting them, maybe they could have won instead of being slaughtered. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/723 "2020-02-26T03:22:25Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Like I said, you failed as a leader. As soon as there’s the possibility of PvP you run and hide instead of killing them back until they beg you not to make the war mutual and destroy their corp. You can hide behind excuses all you want, but in the end the truth remains: you are a coward whose only response to adversity is to whine on the forums and beg CCP to remove it. Lol what you call cowardice I call intelligence 🙂 > And of course while you were hiding from your responsibilities your corp members undocked and died. Too bad they didn’t have their leader organizing support and protecting them, maybe they could have won instead of being slaughtered. I don’t see anyone dying now, maybe the issue is you don’t see that we actually did pvp, we docked up, and petitioned CCP until the problem was solved. I call that a GF. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/724 "2020-02-26T03:25:18Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Lol what you call cowardice I call intelligence No, intelligence would be recognizing that you have a massive member count and can overwhelm PvP threats with sheer numbers. Intelligence would be using the tools you have available to win the war by force, demonstrating the worth of ICANP instead of making it clear to everyone that without CONCORD you are nothing and nobody should ever join you. Intelligence would be understanding the long game instead of being so terrified of PvP that all you can do is beg CCP to make it stop. > I don’t see anyone dying now, maybe the issue is you don’t see that we actually did pvp, we docked up, and petitioned CCP until the problem was solved. I call that a GF. Docking up to protect your personal assets while your corp members die unsupported is not PvP, it’s you being a spineless loser. And petition spamming CCP instead of fighting is nothing more than a concession that you have zero hope of winning within the game and that nobody should ever join ICANP. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/725 "2020-02-26T05:59:01Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > He even proudly admitted it on the forums. Incompetent, but proud… It’s all in the name. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/726 "2020-02-26T06:45:06Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Yep. He even proudly admitted it on the forums. He didn’t say anything about telling his players to spam CCP with petitions, though, just that he’s refusing to fight back. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Like I said, you failed as a leader. As soon as there’s the possibility of PvP you run and hide instead of killing them back until they beg you not to make the war mutual and destroy their corp. Wait, what does this even mean? Who is “they”? Are you talking about the aggressors? Why would they beg him not to destroy their corp if he’s not even fighting back? > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Yup, I’m not gonna undock while there is an exploit going on dummy, I sit in station and chat with the mates while playing other games, you may continue to cry 🙂 What do you mean by calling it an exploit? Wardecs are part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/727 "2020-02-26T06:54:08Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > He didn’t say anything about telling his players to spam CCP with petitions, though, just that he’s refusing to fight back. He did tell them to spam with petitions when EC were nerfed, see [here](http://www.minerbumping.com/2020/02/forbidden-knowledge-part-1.html). ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/728 "2020-02-26T07:14:26Z")
But @Merin_Ryskin said that he stopped playing and told Silent Coalition to spam petitions to change _wardecs_. That’s what I was asking about. Though that article you linked has one hell of a dumpster fire in the comments section… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/729 "2020-02-26T07:19:52Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > But @Merin_Ryskin said that he stopped playing and told Silent Coalition to spam petitions to change _wardecs_ . That’s what I was asking about. Well, then he said he stopped playing (but later redefined it as “staying docked”), but I don’t remember anything said by him to mass petition CCP about wardecs. ---
**Author:** ![karma\_balancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karma_balancer/32/477046_2.png) [@karma\_balancer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/karma_balancer)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/730 "2020-02-26T11:43:23Z")
Never forget Kalynn " ag " Shardani. Not safe for minors. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/731 "2020-02-26T11:50:28Z")
How many corp mails would you like from him telling his corp to spam CCP? I’ve got a good number. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/732 "2020-02-26T12:01:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Even an awoxer that was only half awake knew how to scrub API checks. That’s true, but Psychotic Monk didn’t even need to try. He had it right in his bio what he was. I think that was kind of like people that fall for scams in real life. Any corp that let him in was prime for awoxing. It’s also part of the reason many of those corps back then didn’t deserve any sympathy. The empathy gap for them brought on by their own incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/736 "2020-02-26T12:41:16Z")
Simply docking when they come into system by having neutral alt scouts one system over is a pretty good denial tactic also and doesn’t involve abandoning a large corp. So yeah… Sabus is a coward and that’s a fair accusation to level. The mass petitions, eh, it was an exploit, that’s clear, CCP don’t put all exploits onto the exploit list. Only the ones that are serious and can’t be easily fixed so have to be left in game for a while. And they normally only ban for the worst abuses of exploits. Still not something you need to spam a corp full of newbies about since it panics them and probably caused more to quit than the wardec itself. Just the leadership doing petitions should be enough to get it noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/737 "2020-02-26T13:09:33Z")
Lucas Kell - you can say whatever you want to him. Do whatever you want. He will just look at the ground and mumble, “Please don’t do that.” Too easy. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/738 "2020-02-26T16:48:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Only if they _want_ to fight. If you’re not seeking combat then denying the opposition the fight is a legitimate tactic. The CFC used to do it all the time quite successfully. Well yes, it is absolutely possible to make a public declaration that you are a PvE-only corp that can only function when protected by CONCORD. It does, however, contradict his grand claims about how he wants highsec capitals so he can launch an invasion of nullsec if he can’t even handle a basic highsec war. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/739 "2020-02-26T17:07:10Z")
> [@karma\_balancer](#): > > Never forget Kalynn " ag " Shardani. > > Not safe for minors. Yeah, that was tragic. ☹ > [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > How many corp mails would you like from him telling his corp to spam CCP? I’ve got a good number. As many as you feel like forwarding to me. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That’s true, but Psychotic Monk didn’t even need to try. He had it right in his bio what he was. …_Wow_. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why? That’s the vast majority of suggestions. People will generally favour improvements to their gamplay and nerfs to opposing playstyles. It’s CCPs job to work out what a fitting aggregate is. I meant “taking advantage of new players” in the sense that he appears to be fleecing them to enrich himself. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But that doesn’t mean you can’t seek that playstyle. I think there are very few people who actually think they will not engage with other at some point, but there are plenty of people who just want to seek for the most part to play alone or in small groups. And that’s OK. EVE does allow that. Wanting to play alone is fine, but playing AFK in EvE is a _terrible_ idea and should not be encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/740 "2020-02-26T17:49:03Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > He didn’t say anything about telling his players to spam CCP with petitions, though, just that he’s refusing to fight back. I don’t know about petitions but he was trying to get corpies to brigade in forums and posted a link to the csm discord for the corp to try and get them to lobby devs and csm members. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/741 "2020-02-26T18:46:09Z")
Wow, what a \*\*\*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/742 "2020-02-26T21:00:48Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > He didn’t say anything about telling his players to spam CCP with petitions, though, just that he’s refusing to fight back. He did ask his member to spam CCP with petitions. It was either by MOTD or corp mail, I am not sure anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/744 "2020-02-26T21:54:26Z")
Lucas actually proved that playing AFK is a great idea in a previous thread. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=35)