# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/110 "2020-02-17T16:52:18Z")
Mail sent. Another AG suggested it was down to the criminal flag, which seemed logical. Interesting isn’t it. But this exchange with KM is how he would respond to people raising things like this. It was truly odd, seemed deliberate to me and immensely weird. You acted in the right way, you wanted to work out what it was, not tell me that Gankers grab the bounty which I already knew. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/111 "2020-02-17T16:52:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Because you went off like that all the time mate. This is a perfect example of your behaviour in AG. I only started to reply to you the way I did _after_ you started to outright lie about me AGAIN, you utterly dishonest piece of ■■■■. Of course if you’re going to do that, you better be prepared to get the heat… That’s **not** how I did normally explain things to the people that were wrong there all the time. That would only happen if they started to behave like you just started to do here yourself **first** … ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/112 "2020-02-17T16:53:45Z")
Mate you were angry all the time, and went off the handle like this continuously. People tried to tell you this but you refused to see it. I am quite willing to send you the loss mails if you want? I took a picture of this, because this is the attitude you often showed in the AG chat channel: ![KM on the forums again](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/0/80caad41868f1104bdf6be1d69fb1bb3ec2a536d.png) Angry, aggressive and offensive. You would take anyone making an error in terms of the game mechanics as a personal affront and off you would go. I should also add that I was imprecise in my comment, something I am often at fault with: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And of course certain gankers use smart bombers to try to prevent people from picking up bounties, and they do this because of what reason? Or does this actually denote a value to it when you kept on saying that there was none. Just one example where you got it wrong. 😂 The gankers have been doing this for some time to pick up bounties and I of course noted it a long time ago, do you really think that I did not know this? But just recently we noticed that we were not getting bounties at all on some kills, so I assumed that a change had been made to the game, and that the gankers were doing it still to stop us from getting any bounty. So my bad here in that I was talking about a change which I had assumed happened, but it could be in fact a bug. But here again you made a sweeping assumption that I did not know about the gankers doing it to gain bounty. If you did not fly off the handle so quickly and took time to work out with people explaining things in an imperfect way you would not have been such a roaring pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/113 "2020-02-17T17:05:10Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > But here is the issue, I have the last shot on someone with a bounty pool and I received no bounty and I had the most damage too. In this case the smart bomber was in a pod so was obviously a criminal. Shall I send you the loss mails in game? You should probably make a separate thread or make a bug report if you think something is broken with bounties and you know how to replicate it. But it’s a bit off-topic here i think. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/114 "2020-02-17T17:06:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Mail sent. Okay, that does look strange. First, I would like to check whether bounty amount is shown only for bounty recipient, or for all participants. Maybe that smart bomber somehow got it. Sadly, I don’t have an alt account to do that, but am ready to test it somewhere around Jita, if an answer to that is unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/117 "2020-02-17T19:13:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I took a picture of this, because this is the attitude you often showed in the AG chat channel: AGAIN, that’s the attitude I showed in AG channel only _after_ people started to behave like you’ve been doing here **first** , exactly like has happened here too. Only _after_ you started to outright lie about me here AGAIN have I started to treat you like the utterly dishonest piece of ■■■■ that you are… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You would take anyone making an error in terms of the game mechanics as a personal affront and off you would go. No, I wouldn’t. That’s simply _another_ lie of yours AGAIN. Of course if you keep outright lying about me every time you open your dirty mouth, you’re going to get the heat… I didn’t reply to you the way I did because you were wrong. I did because, in your utter ignorance and desperation to try to find something that you might claim I’ve ever been wrong about, you tried to use that nonsense as “proof” of your lies about me, remember? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And of course certain gankers use smart bombers to try to prevent people from picking up bounties, and they do this because of what reason? Or does this actually denote a value to it when you kept on saying that there was none. Just one example where you got it wrong. 😂 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Oh my god, this shows your ignorance again. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/118 "2020-02-17T19:20:40Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > From his forum posts that assessment is wrong. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So @Karak_Terrel, no anger issues? Showing your comprehension capabilities here again, as usual… He was obviously referring to anger against gankers not being the reason or the motivation for me to hunt and harass them, which has always been in stark contrast with most other anti-gankers and a major source of conflict with me there… ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/120 "2020-02-17T19:43:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What he was saying is the common claim from code players, that AGs have anger issues, and he was claiming you did not. I was highlighting your clear and obvious anger issues as evidence against that. You seem to be confusing having or expressing anger under certain circumstances with having “anger issues”. That I may become angry when someone lies about me like Dracvlad does all the time, for example, doesn’t mean I have “anger issues”. The anger I may express sometimes doesn’t make be behave irrationally like many anti-gankers do when driven by their anger against gankers… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/121 "2020-02-17T19:43:36Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > He was obviously referring to anger against gankers not being the reason or the motivation for me to hunt and harass them, **which has always been in stark contrast with most other anti-gankers and a major source of conflict with me there…** Absolutely untrue, I see very little intense anger apart from the odd person coming in and sounding off after a loss. What you are doing there is regurgitating as if true a complete lie pushed by gankers. What I will say is that I have not really seen a part of the US TZ, but I have never seen this level of anger that KM seems to think is part and parcel of AG. Well it certainly explains your issues believing that rubbish, because if you came in with that CODE claim you would react to anyone coming in and having a little rant, as some do about losing a ship to CODE, as being the attitude of the channel. It certainly is not what I have seen, but if you believe that no wonder you treat everyone with such contempt. So someone coming into AG with a rant about CODE when losing a ship is always going to be full of anger and hate…, what a ridiculous point of view. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That must have happened within the first five minutes of you joining the channel then. 🤣 Pretty much that. There is only one person that I have seen pushing real hate and that is Australian Excellence / Loyalanon. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/123 "2020-02-17T19:58:06Z")
No, I don’t. Someone trying to discredit my reputation **with lies** about anything, be it a video game or anything else, is a perfectly valid reason to become angry _with him_. If that made me lose my mind and do stupid things such as go after him in game or harass him some way just because of that, _then_ you could claim I have anger issues too… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/125 "2020-02-17T20:08:38Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > No, I don’t. Someone trying to discredit my reputation **with lies** about anything, be it a video game or anything else, is a perfectly valid reason to become angry _with him_ . You worry about your reputation in a video game? And you run around throwing the absurd claim that most AG are angry at gankers. So you take it as a personal affront and as damage to your reputation if people have a different opinion to you. This is quite frankly ridiculous looney tune times. Mate you need to go find another hobby if you feel this way. A while back I realised the Dom Arkaral defined himself by his status on the Eve forums as some sort of forum god, and his anger and hatred got so intense when anyone stood up to him and/or had a different view point or challenged his forum godhood. It got to the point that he was so mad that he was trying to get me banned from the forums and only succeeded in getting himself banned. You remind me of him. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/126 "2020-02-17T20:19:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What reputation? You’re an EVE player that’s particularly pedantic and prone to throwing about insults when people disagree with you. My reputation as AG in general and as a contributor to the AG channel in particular, of course, so he may “justify” the decision to ban me from there. Of course you’re trying to do the same, and hence your incredibly silly comment… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What part of that reputation is being discredited by Draclav giving his views? None. He cannot do that for the simple reason that he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. But he’s _trying_ **with lies**. You seem to have understood I’m angry because I think my reputation is actually being discredited. That’s not the case. I’m angry because I cannot stand utterly dishonest people like him. I would be just as angry if he was lying the same way about someone else… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Normal people don’t get angry on forums about internet spaceships. I do get angry over utterly dishonest people under any and all circumstances. I just cannot stand them. I do consider this normal. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/127 "2020-02-17T20:21:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because some of us enjoy this game existing. I tell you what, how about the rest of us care about them leaving and you just leave instead. That way we just lose you whining every day about PvE existing and the rest of us can carry on playing the game. Oh look, the idiot troll once again can’t tell the difference between “I hate that PvE exists” and “I hate lazy PvE players who demand easy mode and free ISK”. > Depends on how early and how severe that loss is. You referred to a case of a player who loses “everything they’d spent a couple months building”. At that point in your EVE career you should understand basic concepts like “don’t fly anything you can’t afford to lose”, and losing a single ship (after which you leave the corp) should be no more than a minor annoyance. If you’re the sort of player who ignores the basic rules, puts everything they have into a single ship, and ragequits if that ship is lost then you’re not meant to be playing EVE. > OK, then most corps stop accepting new players and most newbies sit around in NPC corps endlessly farming PvE content. Or newer players take some initiative and organize into corps. I don’t know why you keep assuming that newbies and highsec players are helpless perma-victims that can only accomplish something if someone stronger gives it to them for free. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/128 "2020-02-17T20:22:21Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > My reputation as AG in general and as a contributor to the AG channel in particular, of course, so he may “justify” the decision to ban me from there. Of course you’re trying to do the same, and hence your incredibly silly comment… Astevon explained his reasoning for banning you, he even gave you the respect of an explanatory email. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > None. He cannot do that for the simple reason that he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. But he’s _trying_ **with lies**. Oh dear someone in a game thinks I have no credibility at all, what shall I do? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You seem to have understood I’m angry because I think my reputation is actually being discredited. That’s not the case. I’m angry because I cannot stand utterly dishonest people like him. I would be just as angry if he was lying the same way about someone else… So you are getting angry over a game to this degree. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I do get angry over utterly dishonest people under any and all circumstances. I just cannot stand them. I do consider this normal. And yet you cannot be honest with yourself. I am looking at your TZ and comparing it with Dom Arkaral’s TZ, using corp history, pretty similar, the red corp icon, and of course the same beard on both characters…, interesting, the use of emos is pretty similar too, as is the utter madness you are displaying, quite similar posting style too. It would not surprise me at all if you were the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Amy\_Undergood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amy_undergood/32/335680_2.png) [@Amy\_Undergood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amy_Undergood)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/131 "2020-02-17T20:42:17Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have a kill with Jaydan Kusion in which the smart bomber is on it, and I received no bounty, and his bounty pot is 12.6m. I have another kill on Jackson Kusion with no smart bomber on it which I got 428k bounty and his pot is 10.8m. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have one kill that has the smart bomber on it and bounty paid, but that may be because the smart bomber at that point had not hit anyone who was not a criminal with his smart bombs at that point when the kill was made. Seems totally within the mechanics for bounty mechanics as [explained on the EVE-Uni Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bounty_Hunting_System): _Only the hunter who fires the final blow claims the bounty. If, however, that hunter is in a fleet, the entire fleet shares the bounty. Say ‘Fleet A’ does 99% damage to a target, and ‘Fleet B’ warps in to finish it off. Only ‘Fleet B’ would claim the bounty. Both fleets would show up in the kill report though._ > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Wait, so bounty money do not spread according to damage dealt, but rather smart bombers are preferred? Genuinely interested. No, not spread by damage dealt, and no preference for a smartbomb. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/132 "2020-02-17T20:43:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > People didn’t just jump in, gank a couple of people, giggle then run away. So you’re assuming that people were stupid and continued to stay in space where they could be attacked once the initial attack was made? Yeah, the people who ragequit over that weren’t going to last very long anyway. > You saying “well people should have played differently” doesn’t change how people actually played. No, but it does determine whether or not we should care if people quit. CCP’s biggest mistake has been focusing on trying to recruit and retain the wrong sort of players at the expense of the things that made EVE unique and interesting. The game would benefit immensely if we went back to acknowledging that EVE is not a game for everyone and stopped trying to retain players who don’t have the right attitude to succeed. > In most instances you’ll find better retention from easing people into more difficult situations and bigger losses rather than roflstomping their sandcastle early on. You proposed a scenario where a player has been in the game for _two months_ before suffering a PvP loss. They’ve had their easing-in period, and made it farther into the game than most customers ever get. At some point you have to stop coddling people and let them survive on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/133 "2020-02-17T20:50:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You might need to cite a source for that. A source for what? To try to convince you that I’m a reputable AG? You think I care whether you believe I am or not? Or what is it that you mean exactly? Just FYI, I do actually **love** to make fun of clueless morons that think I’m a ganker or CODE agent in disguise. I never try to convince them of the contrary, so if that’s what you’re after, you’re out of luck, sorry. You may keep believing I’m a ganker or CODE agent in disguise all you want. Actually, I do _want_ you to believe that… 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You say he can’t then you’re throwing a tantrum about it. Make up your mind kiddo. Man, I explained this in the very same post you’re replying to. Showing your comprehension capabilities again, I see… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t particularly like pedants with anger issues like yourself I don’t want you to like me. Actually, I want you to _not_ like me. You’re the kind of people I’m proud of having annoyed in AG channel… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > but you’ll note I’m not getting enraged in any way by being in this discussion with you. Nor would I if I was in your case either. Why would you? I’m honest and don’t tell lies about other people like Dracvlad does with me all the time… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You should try it out some time. But I’m doing it already… Haven’t you noticed I haven’t got enraged with you either and am just gonna have fun seeing how you make a fool of yourself? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you actually get this enraged over someone on a forum stating their views in a way you feel (but have not yet been able to demonstrate) is dishonest, then you need help. But I don’t. Do you see me getting enraged over you? Don’t you think I would if what you’re saying had a leg to stand upon? I’m just making fun of you, bro… ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/135 "2020-02-17T21:03:52Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > He had just fun hunting gankers, and that’s just not what ag is or ever was. Well, that’s definitely how it _ought_ to be, as far as I’m concerned. I doubt I’d fit in as a ganker and would probably find more satisfaction in hunting them instead, but not with any malice or assumption thereof. I’d just go “Ha-_ha!_ Got him!” to myself whenever I succeeded and post a “GF” in local. Because no one is actually getting hurt, we’re all in this to have fun, and I really don’t understand why anyone would genuinely _hate_ another player unless they were a bona-fide RL asshat. All this bad blood with the ganker and anti-ganker crowd just strikes me as pointless, and we’d all have more fun if everyone spreading these ill feelings would take a damn chill pill. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not at all. If someon had just punched you in the face or shot your dog, I can understand it, but if you are getting angry on a forum about a video game - which you clearly are - then you have anger issues. …are you serious? Do you just _not see_ how this argument can be turned back on you with nearly zero effort? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You might need to cite a source for that. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/e/de627618e009407224a05089c04818a4006cf936.png) I swear, I ought to start meeting _every_ claim on these forums with “citations or GTFO”. And _no_, that thread you linked does not count as a good citation because I can practically _feel_ @Knowledgeminer’s emotions through the text alone. That’s wasn’t trolling, that was _frustration_ boiling over. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/137 "2020-02-17T21:06:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Things like encouraging the creation of something big only to blow it up. “Don’t fly it if you can’t afford to lose it.” If you get manipulated into breaking this rule then you are unlikely to last long in EVE anyway, and there’s no reason to care about the exact means by which they ragequit. > Maybe for you, but not for me. I think we should care if less people are joining EVE and staying. Yes, I am aware that you don’t understand good game design principles and why player recruitment and retention numbers are not the only things that matter, or how being selective in which players you try to recruit and keep makes a game better in the long run. We should care if legitimate EVE players are dropping out, we shouldn’t care if people who are poorly suited for EVE acknowledge this fact and leave. > How so? By nerfing PvP content and pandering to entitled farmer trash instead of the PvP players that built EVE. CCP continues to devalue success by giving it to everyone for free. So yes, this might gain a short term boost in revenue from farmers staying a bit longer but in the end they’re going to quit anyway because they finish leveling up their farming ships and move on to the next PvE game. And if CCP pushes it too far they lose the things that make EVE unique and start losing long-term customers. > I agree. EVE is not for you. ■■■■ off. EVE is for me. You just don’t like the fact that it is. > Most people will not play a game for 2 months, lose 2 months of progress then say “wasting time and money is fun!”. And, again, if you lose two months of progress at once and have nothing left _you were not going to succeed in EVE_. You ignored basic rules for success, likely because you didn’t understand the game and didn’t want to play it the right way. Failure and quitting was inevitable, if it wasn’t corp friendly fire that did it then it would have been suicide ganking, making a trip into lowsec, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/139 "2020-02-17T21:18:24Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Well, that’s definitely how it _ought_ to be, as far as I’m concerned. I doubt I’d fit in as a ganker and would probably find more satisfaction in hunting them instead It takes a very special kind of dedication to actually have fun hunting gankers. I mean once you revealed yourself we pretty much know you are there and can work around you or just make it really boring for you. Ganking on the other hand is absolutely A grade entertainment. Dunking unsuspecting miners is just hilarious and never gets old. There is really nothing like it in any other game. Absolutely fantastic. And you never know what they drop. I had miners drop a whole blueprint collection or once an almost fully trained Orca blueprint. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=7)