# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/183 "2020-02-18T07:41:29Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > I don’t see the gankers displaying the same smug superiority over their actions. Nor do I see them trying to claim that padding their killboard stats like that is real combat, or that teaching a newbie how to get on lots of killmails is giving them a valuable skill. You don’t look hard enough, hint look at AE. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So, a bunch of self-congratulatory nonsense you’ve invented to make yourself feel better? Who cares if you did more damage than CONCORD if the ganker still killed their target? You still failed, giving yourself a participation trophy isn’t helping anyone. Each to their own in a sandbox, you do know that this is a sandbox don’t you? > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And at least you’re honest enough to admit to being proud about how annoying you are even when you aren’t accomplishing anything of practical value. Sums up the whole anti-ganking thing nicely. I have stopped loads of ganks by just being there in HIC’s and making people too scared to loot scoop. Shows how little you know. Though sometimes I trick them by not being in a HIC: > **[Impel | Stamesochnik | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/80379013/)** > > Stamesochnik (Uncharted spectrum) lost their Impel in Perimeter (The Forge). Final Blow by Dracvlad (Taishi Combine) flying in a Ikitursa. Total Value: 302,731,250.95 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/184 "2020-02-18T07:44:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Lookey here, a veiled white knight comment. Don’t you like it when people look up to you as the hero and leader you see yourself as? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/185 "2020-02-18T07:44:39Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Each to their own in a sandbox, you do know that this is a sandbox don’t you? Sure, you’re free to define “success” however you like. But I’m still going to laugh at you if you define it as “my enemy accomplished their entire goal without any problems, but I got some killboard stats”. > I have stopped loads of ganks by just being there in HIC’s and making people too scared to loot scoop. Shows how little you know. That’s nice. So why not brag about that instead of the times where you failed but awarded yourself a participation trophy anyway? It’s almost like your successes are too rare to make a good list so you have to pad your stats with a bunch of irrelevant fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/186 "2020-02-18T07:44:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Though sometimes I trick them by not being in a HIC: How this DST is related to gankers? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/187 "2020-02-18T07:45:10Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > How this DST is related to gankers? Presumably it was killed trying to scoop the loot from a gank. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/188 "2020-02-18T07:47:13Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Don’t you like it when people look up to you as the hero and leader you see yourself as? This is a game, lighten up. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Sure, you’re free to define “success” however you like. But I’m still going to laugh at you if you define it as “my enemy accomplished their entire goal without any problems, but I got some killboard stats”. It is icing on a cake. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > That’s nice. So why not brag about that instead of the times where you failed but awarded yourself a participation trophy anyway? It’s almost like your successes are too rare to make a good list so you have to pad your stats with a bunch of irrelevant fluff. Well look at you lot going off on CONCORD whoring like you do. > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > How this DST is related to gankers? It scooped up a pitiful amount of loot following his Tornado gank, and he did not know I had twin faction scrams. [Tornado | Fessaer Kraer | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/80378994/) was the tornado. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/189 "2020-02-18T07:49:35Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well look at you lot going off on CONCORD whoring like you do. So what, you consider it a success to be so pathetic that people are willing to openly display contempt for you? “LOOK AT ME, I SMEARED MYSELF WITH \*\*\*\*, YOU ARE SO TRIGGERED OVER IT”. > It is icing on a cake. And yet you can’t stop bragging about it as if it matters. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/190 "2020-02-18T07:51:04Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And yet you can’t stop bragging about it as if it matters. Actually if you look above I was not bragging about it, I was just pointing out how new players just starting in AG would see it. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So what, you consider it a success to be so pathetic that people are willing to openly display contempt for you? “LOOK AT ME, I SMEARED MYSELF WITH \*\*\*\*, YOU ARE SO TRIGGERED OVER IT”. That is indeed your issue, if any of you could self-reflect you might actually learn something. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/191 "2020-02-18T07:51:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > [Tornado | Fessaer Kraer | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/80378994/) was the tornado. It is strange, the loot from Tornado is not in Impel. It is similar, but modules are different. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/192 "2020-02-18T07:52:21Z")
> **[Tornado | Yellow Jack | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/80377984/)** > > Yellow Jack (Perkone) lost their Tornado in Perimeter (The Forge). Final Blow by Hazen Koraka (HK Enterprises) flying in a Sleipnir. Total Value: 82,205,022.21 ISK From this one, he scooped from his MTU before I think. The player on this kilmail is a good example of an AG who made part of his ISK from bounties. This one was an especially nice amount of bounty: > **[Capsule | Empire Ganking Alt | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79923768/)** > > Empire Ganking Alt (New Order Logistics) lost their Capsule in Niarja (Domain) Total Value: 854,900,138.09 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/193 "2020-02-18T07:58:17Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > From this one, he scooped from his MTU before I think. Pyerite is from this kill: [Iteron Mark V | Pitot Scudrunner | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/80378993/) Does that mean that ganker managed to escape with another 300m of loot, but then failed fantastically? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/194 "2020-02-18T07:59:39Z")
The other AG got that loot. For example on Sunday one AG player got all the loot from this: > **[Prorator | Daxter Alabel | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81693613/)** > > Daxter Alabel (Sticky Residue) lost their Prorator in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Benui (L O B) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 1,353,613,253.27 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/195 "2020-02-18T08:01:38Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > This is a game, lighten up. Not for you mate, I don’t think so. Look at you, this thread was all about some fun we had dunking some weird highsec carebears nothing that remotely involved you. But you came here anyway, completely making it about your personal vendetta with anything ganking, as you always do. No, this is clearly not a game for you. Do you dream about us? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/196 "2020-02-18T08:02:33Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Not for you mate, I don’t think so. Look at you, this thread was all about some fun we had dunking some weird highsec carebears nothing that remotely involved you. But you came here anyway, completely making it about your personal vendetta with anything ganking, as you always do. No, this is clearly not a game for you. > > Do you dream about us? Excuse me, but you lot are after him, and those with him, because he created a hisec lobby channel to push the game changes he thinks would work for hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/197 "2020-02-18T08:06:26Z")
> [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](#): > > I sympathize with you @Knowledgeminer. Nothing is more frustrating than eagerly trying to educate or help other players be BETTER players and then in turn to be cast aside as some kind of elitist. Thanks, I understand what you mean, but that doesn’t really describe me well. I’ve never felt frustrated about this, not even after having been banned from the AG channels. It was always clear to me what I was dealing with there. Also, I don’t care that people unwilling to learn keep being ignorant and repeating the same mistakes again and again. I only care that they have the _opportunity_ to learn _if_ they’re willing to. The reason I’m hostile to that kind of people is not that I want to force them to change, nor do I feel frustrated by they refusing to change. The reason I’m hostile to them is the misinformation they spread and the bad influence they’re on _others_ that might actually be willing to learn… This is why I would never turn to the dark side out of frustration, like it happened to others, or as a result of having been banned from AG channels. I’ll simply keep doing what I enjoy doing. I have to say that I’m enjoying ganking these miners a lot, though. Like Karak said in another post, it doesn’t feel repetitive at all, at least for now. All that crap about it being F1 monkeying is utter nonsense. There always happens something funny, interesting, or unexpected, at least for now, like a miner that has no idea he’s about to be ganked, but somehow manages to not be there when you’re about to get him, or one that tells you to go away while you’re scanning his fit because he doesn’t trust you, then feels safe when you’re no longer there, completely unaware that you went away only to come back with the cats to get him. It’s addictive. If you check the KB of my guys, you’ll see that I don’t feel my EvE day has been complete until I’ve ganked at least 1 SICO. 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/198 "2020-02-18T08:07:10Z")
So you are a ganker, just as I thought. Here is the difference between you and I: You: This is not how you do it, you ain’t doing anything, they are just laughing at you. You should do what I do. Me: Good, but perhaps if you did this you would have more of an impact. I happen to believe that you did it because you wanted to tell everyone how good you are as part of your need to be seen as superior or that you wanted to drive new people away, I suspect that you could be a Ganker alt, though I am not certain of this, but you sure as hell look like one to me. I am glad you are no longer in AG so we can recruit people and develop them without your sneering arrogance and need to put others down getting in the way, no matter if it was your own personal issues or that you were doing this deliberately. You can do what you want as much as you want, but I reckon you will soon get bored being unable to tell people just how good you are, because your reputation in the game and the forum matters to you, you said it above. Just like Dum Dum… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/199 "2020-02-18T08:07:28Z")
I’m after them because it is content and because I have the opportunity to team up with @Knowledgeminer and gank 😂 . I have no other reason. I also only team up if I have a close exit anyway. Why are you here? You delivered the message from your ag overlord like a good boy, but you stick around and make it all about you? I don’t say stay here an continue to make fool of yourself, I’m just saying, you tend to derail every thread with the same shite lately. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/200 "2020-02-18T08:08:11Z")
I replied to people replying to me after I made that announcement for AG, is that a crime? If you don’t want me to reply, don’t reply. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/201 "2020-02-18T08:15:26Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > That’s a bit flawed logic. Gankers try to get them themselves, because it is a nice side-activity which does not disrupt the gank in meaningful matter. On the other side, hunting gankers is not a side-activity. I missed this. Actually it is a part of their income, they would often do something else that created ISK then do some anti-player content, AG is PvP and take some income from it. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/202 "2020-02-18T09:38:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The issue here is that his reputation on the forum is really important No, the issue here is that _ **my** _ reputation is really important to _ **you** _, so much that you’re willing to lie to try to discredit me… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The amount of hate I get is the issue here and this player feels real anger towards me because I impinged on his reputation. ROFLMAO. You have absolutely no capability to “impinge on my reputation” (or anyone else’s for that matter) for the simple reason that you have absolutely no credibility. The hate you get is the result of the crappy personality you have, not any effect you may have on anyone’s reputation other than your own, LOL. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > This is a game of alts, I would be amiss in such a game to not try to work out who the player was who did so much damage to the AG channel and dry up new recruits. If you want to work out who are the players that have done and will continue doing so much damage to the AG channel, you have to look no further than yourself and others like you there. Now, if what you want to “work out” is who _I_ am, I’ll help you with that. I’m James 315, Tora Bushido, Dom Arkaral, and a lot more I cannot remember atm, but that I’m sure you’ll find out soon. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have long suspected that you are an alt of a ganker, now I could be wrong, but if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then it is a duck, you quack a lot. And now you are ganking with CODE. You’re not wrong. You’re as right as you were when you started a whole [Knowledgeminer Vs Dracvlad thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/101) to claim I was Tora Bushido and don’t remember who else. You’ve always been right about all those other players you’ve claimed I was and others you haven’t said yet, but that I’m sure you’ll figure soon… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > He is going back to what he is, a ganker. Exactly, ‘back’ being the right word to describe it. Very insightful of you. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > frustrations they will find when so many mechanics appear to be in the favour of gankers. It’s not that the game mechanics _appear_ to be in favour of the gankers. It’s that they _are_ heavily in favour of the gankers, and now that I’m not there, you’ll be able to tell that to everybody coming to that channel without anyone telling you the ■■■■■■■ losers you are for whining about those game mechanics non-stop and asking for one more nerf, when you could be learning to take advantage of them instead… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Here is the difference between you and I The biggest difference between you and me is that I’m honest and you’re not… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > This is not how you do it, you ain’t doing anything, they are just laughing at you. You should do what I do. This perfectly illustrates the stupidity and unwillingness to learn that used to be so generalised until I started to “annoy” people there. Whether it would be appropriate to say that or not depends entirely on whether it’s actually true or not. Are you even able to understand how it being the truth or not makes all the difference? What’s wrong is trying to make someone believe he’s making a difference when the truth is that he isn’t… And if the gankers are (rightfully) laughing at him because he’s doing silly things, you want him to know and be aware of what’s actually happening so he doesn’t keep doing the same silly things again and again. You’re doing a disservice to him by hiding from him the truth of what’s actually happening. The gankers aren’t going to stop laughing at him just because he’s unaware they are… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Good, but perhaps if you did this you would have more of an impact. Again, what should matter here is the truth. Saying “good” there would be appropriate only if it was actually good. Otherwise you’re lying to make someone feel good about something he did wrong. That does **not** help him understand what he did wrong. Even if you tell him how to do it “better”, if everybody tells him what he did was “good”, he’s still not going to understand what was wrong and why… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I happen to believe that you did it because you wanted to tell everyone how good you are as part of your need to be seen as superior or that you wanted to drive new people away Actually, it was both because I’m a narcissistic elitist that needs to belittle everyone else to feel superior, and because I wanted to drive away from AG as many people as I could. What other reasons could I have for trying to help people understand what they were doing wrong? I cannot think of any other possibility… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I suspect that you could be a Ganker alt, though I am not certain of this, but you sure as hell look like one to me. Stop suspecting already. You can be 100% certain I’m a ganker and have always been. What other explanation could there be for all the harm that I’ve been doing to AG throughout all this time? Also, I’m clearly “back” at it again, what other proof do you need that I have always been a ganker in disguise? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I reckon you will soon get bored being unable to tell people just how good you are, because your reputation in the game and the forum matters to you, you said it above. What? You’re not going to quote where I said what you’re claiming I said here, are you? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=10)