# My Experience: An Open Letter to CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [August 11, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432 "2021-08-11T14:40:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/64 "2021-08-13T19:51:13Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > See what i mean. No I do not, and I guess from that, you are absolutely not seeing what I mean, but I can live with both. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/65 "2021-08-13T21:34:42Z")
Again, FFXIV does it perfectly well and integrated into a game which also requires working with others. I guess co-operation isnt the “playing with others” most people think EvE is “supposed” to be about or something. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/66 "2021-08-13T22:05:36Z")
It is. I have nothing against expanding pve. I was just double checking i was now on the right track. But CCP have been experimenting with various forms of pve over the past 5 years. Seeing what works what doesn’t. Burners. Abyss. Resource wars. Trigs and drifters. Pirate bases. Various events. Quite a bit of it has been story driven. But perhaps not the story **you** wanted. And that brings me back to it being impossible for CCP to cater to everyone’s idea of good narration at once. ---
**Author:** ![Thayden\_Reid\_Nordic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thayden_reid_nordic/32/282134_2.png) [@Thayden\_Reid\_Nordic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thayden_Reid_Nordic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/67 "2021-08-14T03:20:36Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > But perhaps not the story **you** wanted. In the end, I simply want better and more engaging PvE. In a perfect world, the branching storylines that I am think of would be the ticket. But in reality? Simply improve Eve’s PvE. They can still feel more rewarding and dynamic, even if they don’t include the sprawling and immersive storyline that I - and many others - am dreaming of. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/68 "2021-08-14T05:22:32Z")
That would require them adding complex AI to the game, thus decreasing predictability and increasing difficulty. Now, assuming they _could_ actually do something like that, this would lead to massive tears from the grand majority of the PvE-running population because they’re not in it for challenging content, but to watch their wallets become engaged with money (i.e. “game points”) that they’ll never use for anything aside for more bling for their PvE-running ships and occasional ganking losses. CCP added the Trigs, and instead of getting excited about it, most PvEers started complaining about them just as much as, if not _more_ than they did about gankers and gate campers. _You_ might be seeking a fulfilling and engaging gaming experience, but most others would prefer it if you shut the hell up and stopped interrupting their grind. You have to understand who the average EVE player _is_ these days. It’s not you, and it’s not me; it’s someone who saw an EVE banner ad while browsing for mobile games on their phone or saw a referral link advertised by their favorite Fortnite streamer. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/69 "2021-08-14T05:34:50Z")
Ok, look, I’m running six accounts minimized while I watch videos on Youtube. How am I supposed to handle some stupid advanced AI script, my bot can barely keep up as it is. If I wanted to PvP, I could easily become an elite griefer, but that’s not how I want to play. This is a sandbox, and I choose to be a peaceful farmer, and I’m sick and tired of people trying to judge my playstyle. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/70 "2021-08-14T05:50:41Z")
I don’t know what any of that means, I’m only here because Asmongold mentioned this game on his channel. ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/71 "2021-08-14T06:47:30Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok, look, I’m running six accounts minimized while I watch videos on Youtube. For financial sustainability of this game it would be now interesting, if your six accounts are Omaga and if you payed them with ISK or real money? ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/72 "2021-08-14T07:40:48Z")
> [@Meditril](#): > > if you payed them with ISK or real money? Regardless, someone is paying real money for this accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/73 "2021-08-14T08:44:07Z")
_settles in for another round of “the PLEX I mine is free”_ ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/74 "2021-08-14T09:11:31Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Regardless, someone is paying real money for this accounts. This is **only** correct, **if** a small amount of users is funding their Omega via ISK bought PLEX (which is valid to do so). **However** , the larger the quota of ISK bought PLEX Omega users get compared to the users who pay the Omega via real money or buy PLEX via real money, the more the ISK-price for PLEX raises. This forces the Omega via ISK bought PLEX to grind more and more, which due to market mechanics (e.g.: drop of resource prices) spoils the fun for occasional and new users. This leads to a down-cycle where new/occasional users stay away from the game, resulting in even less PLEX and resulting in even less fun for them. That’s exactly what CCP is at the moment trying to break with their “scarcity” approach. Let me **exaggerate** this into the following statement: EVE players (excluding complete noobs) not paying the game via real money are **parasites** , unless they contribute to EVE content being PVP prey. In this case they are **symbionts**. Unfortunately, as the 0.0-backout has shown, most of these players prefer being parasites and where heavily opposing to be symbionts. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/75 "2021-08-14T09:31:53Z")
_Giant popcorn meme of your choice_ ---
**Author:** ![Raptor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raptor_kane/32/281928_2.png) [@Raptor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raptor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/76 "2021-08-14T09:32:33Z")
> [@Meditril](#): > > Let me **exaggerate** this into the following statement: EVE players (excluding complete noobs) not paying the game via real money are **parasites** , unless they contribute to EVE content being PVP prey. In this case they are **symbionts**. Unfortunately, as the 0.0-backout has shown, most of these players prefer being parasites and where heavily opposing to be symbionts. Noted. Yet, the ads for EVE Online mention that the game is free to play. I’m playing for free right now, as per the ad. If that makes me a parasite then so be it. Shouldn’t advertise as free to play if it hurts the game or the devs. Unless I’m missing something of course. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/77 "2021-08-14T09:36:58Z")
Yeah nothing wrong with improving pve. I’ve long wanted npcs with more teeth. But eve’s pve has advanced and expanded more in the past few years than ever before in the game…and it’s not enough. It’s never enough. ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/78 "2021-08-14T09:39:01Z")
> [@Raptor\_Kane](#): > > Unless I’m missing something of course. Indeed you are missing something: In the long run, also the CCP employees are human and they need real world money to survive. So even though it is advertised as “_free to play_” the idea behind this is a sample for you so that you can easily peek into the game and then, if you like it, you will transfer to a paying customer. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/79 "2021-08-14T09:39:45Z")
I feel your advanced is like Brisc’s “better”. Id just like it to not be boring and worth doing for the sake if it rather than ever-increading isk piles. Work is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/80 "2021-08-14T10:02:42Z")
> [@Meditril](#): > > This is **only** correct Always correct. If I buy 500 PLEX, sell in the market and the buyer use t for Omega time then that is a symbiotic relationship, he is doing the grind for me, I’m paying for his account, we both are happy and you can shove your bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/81 "2021-08-14T10:18:24Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > If I buy 500 PLEX, sell in the market and the buyer use t for Omega time then that is a symbiotic relationship, he is doing the grind for me, So what happens, if there are not only one but two or three buyers for your 500 PLEX? ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/82 "2021-08-14T10:20:31Z")
Then me and one of the buyers are still happy and you can still shove your bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432/83 "2021-08-14T10:26:46Z")
Try to think broader… what happens to the market prices? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-experience-an-open-letter-to-ccp/323432.md?page=5)