# My pov about the game returning on it after 8 years **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2023, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944 "2023-12-18T03:07:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Zukara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zukara/32/459111_2.png) [@Zukara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zukara)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/61 "2023-12-18T14:27:15Z")
Ive seen the term high “safe space” used here and want point out, theres no such thing. Yes theres high security space, but that dose not in any way imply “safe space”. That just simply dose not exist. The moment you undock you run the risk of getting poped. Now on average thats not likely to happen very often unless youve really pissed someone off or your not taking proper precautions someplace like Jita. But the same goes for the rest of the game, take proper precautions, dont fly a hulk with nothing but mining upgrades and no tank and complain when your one shot by a couple cats. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/62 "2023-12-18T14:29:44Z")
But why do you insist on making it so in your comments. Still you are wrong about mining, it can be a very lucrative and group orientated pastime in Eve especially outside of hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Lola\_Munijugs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lola_munijugs/32/381372_2.png) [@Lola\_Munijugs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lola_Munijugs)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/63 "2023-12-18T14:33:25Z")
I think they did some changes that made it more difficult to gank miners in the last year or so. Added HP to barges and you can no longer dock in hi-sec, maybe something else. Gankers who really like to gank do it a lot no matter what. It is kind of fun, you should try it sometime to get new perspectives. ---
**Author:** ![Laurane\_Laframboise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laurane_laframboise/32/401405_2.png) [@Laurane\_Laframboise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laurane_Laframboise)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/64 "2023-12-18T16:06:49Z")
interesting graphic. now in a game where one of the main goals is to gain wealth, it’s normal to have a 1.5-2 ratio intuitively i would say. here the ratio is 3 but out of those 2trillion profits every 3 trillions produced, a fraction will get destroyed in money sinks (taxes, skills, bpo) and also i guess like in the real world, 20% of the most experienced capsuleers takes 80% of that pie, and these people store those benefits into cap ships and titans that they will rarely undock, citadels etc wich leaves a somewhat slow and regular enrichment for the common player i suppose. its actually hard to judge. couldt or could not be ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/65 "2023-12-18T16:12:01Z")
> [@Laurane\_Laframboise](#): > > i just wonder why don’t they do security status penalties 10 times higher + slower grind to recover status ? Because it’s a PvP game and no one should be penalized for playing it as a PvP game. ---
**Author:** ![Laurane\_Laframboise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laurane_laframboise/32/401405_2.png) [@Laurane\_Laframboise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laurane_Laframboise)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/66 "2023-12-18T16:18:50Z")
you can’t kill people in cities or of your own faction in a ton of good pvp games that’s not a valable argument i would say. but i got the point and this discussion has changed my pov about ganking kind of since eve is about players production unlike a classical rpg it makes sense that there has to be more destruction ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/67 "2023-12-18T16:23:34Z")
> [@Laurane\_Laframboise](#): > > in a ton of good pvp games You can have ten tons of good PvP games, they’re not EvE. > [@Laurane\_Laframboise](#): > > since eve is about players production unlike a classical rpg it makes sense that there has to be more destruction That’s the circle production-destruction, that is the motor that keeps EvE going. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/68 "2023-12-18T18:31:20Z")
Banning all ganking in HS is the extreme end of the anti-gank spectrum. Just like how abolishing HS and having free reign for PVPers is on the other end of the spectrum. There is a good middle ground. #moderate POVs 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/69 "2023-12-18T20:58:17Z")
Killings non-war players should result in a harsher security drop imo. If you want to heavily PvP either jump into factional warfare on the pirate side, or move down into low/null. Highsec is supposed to be the landing ground for new players to build up resources and learn the game. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/70 "2023-12-18T21:41:33Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > Highsec is supposed to be the landing ground for new players to build up resources and learn the game. That’s true for the rookie systems, there are thousands of other high sec systems though, all with less security rating. Many players of EVE do not leave the confines of High Sec, some have even played for 20 years, it’s not so full of new players as you seem to portray there is. CCP has always said that Ganking is a valid playstyle. High sec is not safe sec. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/71 "2023-12-18T21:53:12Z")
Ganking is a valid style of play, but CONCORD being an automatic death sentence very much shows that there are supposed to be penalties for doing so willy nilly in HigSec. I feel that people who suicide attack a ship with a throw away alt account, and then loot on their _real_ account, or another alt, are side stepping what’s supposed to be a deterrent. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/72 "2023-12-18T22:53:52Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > I feel that people who suicide attack a ship with a throw away alt account, and then loot on their _real_ account, or another alt, are side stepping what’s supposed to be a deterrent. Not much of a difference from using a dozen accounts to farm Veldspar, is there? But if your issue is with alt account usage, you’ll have to go back in time to somewhere around…2011…I’d say? That’s when CCP decided to shift their primary revenue generation strategy from recruiting new players to making existing players pay for as many accounts as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/73 "2023-12-18T23:06:02Z")
> [@Does mining need a minigame?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-mining-need-a-minigame/433020): > > New player here. Something I’ve noticed about mining is that it tends to be very passive/low APM. Which: A: Makes it unengaging for solo players and… B: Makes it easy for bots/multi-boxers. The solution? Add in a mini game that rewards paying at least semi attention to your screen. Example: Every 15~30 seconds your lasers will need to have their intensity/whatever adjusted via a mini menu above the weapon bar. Failing to do so will result in lower output during the completion of the cycle. … Already ahead of you. (And yes, I do view that as a problem as well. x20 bots/boxes will vastly outstrip anything a single player could ever output on their own.) ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/74 "2023-12-18T23:09:23Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Not much of a difference from using a dozen accounts to farm Veldspar, is there? Basically. both sides of this “debate” play fun little games. Hell some FW awox crews are multiboxers. Which has you confused as hell when their bio is crap about warring on multibox sea gulls and leeches. with the rather convenient corp membership, now clearing full sites so assumed full LP transfer to corp wallet. No conflict of interest there…/s. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/75 "2023-12-19T01:41:43Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Here’s a thought - if the game is too challenging, why don’t you try paying attention? My family was soooo poor, we couldn’t afford to pay attention. Yeah that line caught my eye as well. (Look at whatcha made me do, I am agreeing with Aiko) m ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/76 "2023-12-19T01:57:04Z")
> [@Laurane\_Laframboise](#): > > -CATALYST SUICIDES MFKIN GANKING SQUADS… this have to be adressed… boy they fixed so many things but this is the only mecanic where i haven’t seen a single change in ten years… why is that so ? i even saw a streamer with 30 catalyst accounts on twitch this afternoon, before getting myself suicide ganked this evening. there is no problem with ganking … if you have a problem with ganking its only personal ! ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/77 "2023-12-19T06:03:49Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > there is no problem with ganking … if you have a problem with ganking its only personal ! There are worse things in this game really. I got my first awox last night. its the friendly gank. Saw they were already known on discord no need to report, moved on. One less ship to fly/move out at the end of this fob cycle lol. That line has replaced “didnt want that ship anyway” for me. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-pov-about-the-game-returning-on-it-after-8-years/432944/80 "2024-03-19T13:36:44Z")
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