# My proposal for a new type of mining ship **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Tags:** ships\ **Created:** [March 4, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085 "2018-03-04T15:04:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeb_ozuwara/32/288968_2.png) [@Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeb_Ozuwara)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/21 "2018-03-11T21:14:08Z")
no, I proposed a _new type of ship_ ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/22 "2018-03-12T01:41:38Z")
If they gave alphas the ability to use the endurance, then they can mine ice, cuz you know the endurance is bonused to ice mining ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/23 "2018-03-12T01:48:42Z")
> [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > If they gave alphas the ability to use the endurance, then they can mine ice, cuz you know the endurance is bonused to ice mining Alpha clones do not get access to the book for ice. Known as Ice Harvesting. Omega only. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/24 "2018-03-12T01:57:41Z")
Pretty sure they have the ice mining skill now available to them. Edit, here’s the source [https://www.eveonline.com/article/clone-states-the-next-steps/](https://www.eveonline.com/article/clone-states-the-next-steps/) ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/25 "2018-03-12T02:04:50Z")
As someone who is actually a lapsed time Omega I can’t use the ice mining laser or my expedition frigates. Nor can I actually train the book on my Alpha character. Firsthand knowledges. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/26 "2018-03-12T02:07:06Z")
Well the only ship that can use the ice mining laser is the endurance. So that’s your problem, in all honesty if you don’t know this I’m not sure what to say. It’s been on the fourm for awhile now ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/27 "2018-03-12T02:08:52Z")
> [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > Well the only ship that can use the ice mining laser is the endurance. So that’s your problem, in all honesty if you don’t know this I’m not sure what to say. It’s been on the fourm for awhile now Problem #1 Expedition frigates are not allowed via Alpha accounts. Problem #2 Ice Mining requires the skill Ice Harvesting and an expedition frigate OR barge which neither are allowed to Alpha accounts. Problem #3 This is live knowledge from the active server. Login on it and you will find all the modules in question are marked Omega only. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/28 "2018-03-12T02:11:57Z")
See you solved your problem, why ccp even gave alphas ice Mining is a great question which probably fall down to having alpha locked from higher Indy As much as I hate saying it, if you want to use T2 Plex up or sub till the next alpha skill release hoping that ice is opened up. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/29 "2018-03-12T02:14:33Z")
> [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > See you solved your problem, why ccp even gave alphas ice Mining is a great question which probably fall down to having alpha locked from higher Indy Not my problem. CCP blocked alpha ice mining for a reason. > [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > As much as I hate saying it, if you want to use T2 Plex up or sub till the next alpha skill release hoping that ice is opened up. I am mainly interested in the math behind what it can produce with just T2 loaded up as deep core is also not allowed on alpha accounts. As much as you might not want to know it T2 mining lasers do work for alpha accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/30 "2018-03-12T02:19:59Z")
No were did I ever state that T2 mining doesn’t work for alphas, all I stated was that the Endurance was bounsed to ICE mining. If you all want new mining ships, why not ask CCP to reinstate the racial mining cruisers and rework there bonues to fit in today’s game. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/31 "2018-03-12T02:22:09Z")
> [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > If you all want new mining ships, why not ask CCP to reinstate the racial mining cruisers and rework there bonues to fit in today’s game. You might want to scroll to the top of the thread and read the creator of the thread… I merely asked what would be outputs of ore comparing a venture and it’s T2’s at level 1s which Ice is still not a part of. Deep Core totals were put out, but since Alpha characters can’t use it the numbers do not apply. ---
**Author:** ![Alphaphi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alphaphi/32/27517_2.png) [@Alphaphi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alphaphi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/32 "2018-03-12T10:10:03Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > I merely asked what would be outputs of ore comparing a venture and it’s T2’s at level 1s which Ice is still not a part of. Deep Core totals were put out, but since Alpha characters can’t use it the numbers do not apply. with all t1 gear, we’re talking about a 11% increase in yield in the endurance over the venture. the procurer will have a 150% increased yield over the venture. stats with an all V character Venture all t1: 7,55m3/s Endurance all t1: 8,37m3/s Procurer all t1: 19,6m3/sec ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/33 "2018-03-12T19:12:53Z")
Great, now what about T2 mining laser in an endurance and prospect at level 1 vs a venture at level 5? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/34 "2018-03-14T15:09:42Z")
Because OP’s suggestion is rather vague and it’s about an “alpha” who wants to be mining like an “omega” did I not feel like crushing down on OP. So it’s a yes. OP is allowed to dream! ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Alphaphi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alphaphi/32/27517_2.png) [@Alphaphi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alphaphi)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/35 "2018-03-16T08:56:21Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Great, now what about T2 mining laser in an endurance and prospect at level 1 vs a venture at level 5? venture: 10.3 m3/sec w. t2 miners, t1 MLU and drone rigs, Mining fring @ V Endurance: 11,9m3/sec, t2 miners, t1 mlu, drone rigs, exped frig @ I Prospect: 11.3 m3/sec, t2 miners, t1 MLU, exped frig @ I So roughly 10% increase in yield with exped frig @ I ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/36 "2018-03-16T16:30:15Z")
This doesn’t feel like a stick to me. So why not? Requesting @CCP_Falcon to poke idea at proper people for discussion. Just Expedition Frigates 1 unlock. Nothing greater. ---
**Author:** ![pug\_lei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pug_lei/32/266832_2.png) [@pug\_lei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/pug_lei)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/37 "2018-03-21T05:58:32Z")
Yeah sounds like a stealth “buff alpha mining” thread to me. But even if its not, I dont really see an advantage to adding another layer of game play in between two things with an overlap thats already so big. Some of the best ISK/hour I’ve made ( a couple hundred million) was gas mining in a venture. ---
**Author:** ![Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeb_ozuwara/32/288968_2.png) [@Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeb_Ozuwara)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/38 "2018-03-21T06:44:43Z")
how to find good gas sites? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/39 "2018-03-21T15:47:14Z")
You need a probe launcher and to know what gases are in demand. I hear C32 is always a good choice. ---
**Author:** ![zandayus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zandayus/32/69731_2.png) [@zandayus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zandayus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085/40 "2018-04-28T22:03:20Z")
wonder what a SOE design mining ship would look like.really like mining with my stratios [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-proposal-for-a-new-type-of-mining-ship/61085.md?page=3)