# My return to EVE thread/trading blog **URL:** \ **Category:** My EVE\ **Created:** [February 12, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530 "2025-02-12T01:04:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/21 "2025-02-15T10:26:58Z")
You know that the way you keep digging up the past is not helping the @The_Fukuzawa as it seems hat they are not old school and don’t know how to deal with situations that could score them free isk. /ie 8 years s return pilot ///but here is a thought, they don’t need easy handouts!!! Which raises the question on you @Uriel why did you ping me to this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/22 "2025-02-15T10:37:26Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > why did you ping me to this thread Because I was aware what will unfold when I do, and it did. 😉 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/23 "2025-02-15T10:39:09Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > /ie 8 years s return pilot > > ///but here is a thought, they don’t need easy handouts!!! He didn’t need that 8 bil ISK anyway. 🤔 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/24 "2025-02-15T10:39:46Z")
Well I was prepared to fork out what you had first mentioned three days ago Even though I had been working on other things that resulted in not reading that comment until today. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fukuzawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_fukuzawa/32/450297_2.png) [@The\_Fukuzawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Fukuzawa)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/25 "2025-02-15T10:44:29Z")
I’m about to pay you a billion isk to move on from my market blog lol …a billion and some interest =/ ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/26 "2025-02-15T10:46:15Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > I’m about to pay you a billion isk to move on from my market blog lol > > …a billion and some interest =/ Beware that he will forward it to Aiko right away the very moment he sees it on his ISK account. 😉 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/27 "2025-02-15T10:48:41Z")
Yes Our Princess is our saviour and our wallets will always belong to her highness ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/28 "2025-02-15T10:52:02Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > The market feels different CCP nerfed the market to discourage trading. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/29 "2025-02-15T10:53:31Z")
Just for showing up Princess I will forward you a gift. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fukuzawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_fukuzawa/32/450297_2.png) [@The\_Fukuzawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Fukuzawa)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/30 "2025-02-15T11:06:09Z")
Why would they do that? Items will trade regardless. Those changes have to be part of the reason why secondary trade hubs have died ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/31 "2025-02-15T11:13:15Z")
Two nerfs were the elimination of margin trading skill, which made it more difficult to leverage assets across a span of buy and sell orders. This naturally shrunk markets. Furthermore, they added taxes which penalize you for failing to correctly guess the ‘best price’. If you change your price, now you must pay a penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/32 "2025-02-15T12:38:28Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > Why would they do that? Items will trade regardless. CCP felt the economy was getting ‘too easy’, players were too rich, ISK was being concentrated in the hands of a very small portion of players. They clearly also felt that players weren’t spending enough time (or cash) in the game in order to achieve their goals. From roughly 2019 on, CCP has been throwing roadblocks and speedbumps into the game in order to change the ways players operate. From Triglavian Invasion changing the geography of high sec (which is why Amarr is now 40+ jumps from Jita via ‘safe route’), to market changes (no more .01 ISKing and frequent updates), to manufacturing components to and mineral supply, to the resources provided in Null and other areas… all changed to slow wealth generation and make it take more steps and more time. You might want to scan some of the dev blogs, expansion notices and patch notes on those kinds of areas in order to get some traction on why the market ‘feels different’ to you. You could also catch up on some of the marketing blogs and videos like [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/a/a/7aa13ed6506a9959420f8cbff731ff8a53cc3322.jpeg "Pyerite PANIC! - The Oz Report (Feb 8th, 2025) - Eve Online Market Insights") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPD42VnXvyA) or > **[marketsforISK](https://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/)** > > A blog of my experiences and observations of making ISK in Eve Online. The aim is to make sufficient ISK to purchase a Plex per account per month. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fukuzawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_fukuzawa/32/450297_2.png) [@The\_Fukuzawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Fukuzawa)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/33 "2025-02-15T19:05:41Z")
Interesting makes sense, I think it should be harder to get wealthy. A player above said its easier than ever to make ISK. Does he mean there are other ways of generating ISK currently that are out of line with CCPs push to make building wealth harder? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/34 "2025-02-16T01:07:35Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > Does he mean there are other ways of generating ISK currently that are out of line with CCPs push to make building wealth harder? No. He means ISK has been devalued to the point of absurdity through CCP flooding the economy with it in a misguided attempt to attract and hang on to new players. They need to get an economist back on the payroll. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/35 "2025-02-16T02:51:52Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > Interesting makes sense, I think it should be harder to get wealthy. Actually, in games like EVE, there’s no real point in causing financial hardship. While wealth shouldn’t rain down, it only gets used (in the long run) to buy expendable assets. If you tighten the reins on wealth, players become more risk-averse and hoard their wealth, rather than expend it. The actual problem with EVE is that, once you have your wealth creation plan in place and are piling up ISK… there’s little incentive to expend/consume it. Sure, you can buy ships to throw away… except why? Is it _fun_ to lose caps in an 18-hour TiDi battle? Get bombed at a gate camp? Throw a battleship away ganking a Venture? Most of the losses in EVE that could in any way be thought of as ‘entertaining’ involve smaller and cheaper ships anyway. EVE doesn’t need tighter reins on the creation of wealth. It needs more and better reasons to _risk_ that wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/36 "2025-02-16T10:17:02Z")
Looks like Mr High Blood Pressure hasn’t returned to EVE. Shame really as his angry alts were most amusing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fukuzawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_fukuzawa/32/450297_2.png) [@The\_Fukuzawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Fukuzawa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/37 "2025-02-17T23:20:17Z")
Not only does the market feel different, but the method I used to raise isk from the eve community in the past is not working as well. I feel like this player base has less isk in the bank than the player base of 8 years ago. Falls in line with what players have been saying in this post. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/38 "2025-02-18T06:34:36Z")
> [@The\_Fukuzawa](#): > > raise isk from the eve community in the past is not working as well. I feel like this player base has less isk in the bank than So you tried posting scam contracts in Jita local and nobody took the bait? 🤔 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fukuzawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_fukuzawa/32/450297_2.png) [@The\_Fukuzawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Fukuzawa)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/39 "2025-02-18T07:18:51Z")
Posting elsewhere, and players are investing, I have raised billions thus far. Its slow going this time around, so that is kinda disappointing. I had some plex and assets floating around that I forgot about so instead of starting with 100 million, I have a billion of my own ISK rolled into the trade strat. Also, Already turning a profit on the ISK I have raised, I feel a lot less pressure to perform than I did a few days ago, so thats a positive ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530/40 "2025-02-18T09:10:48Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > tried posting scam contracts in Jita This is unbecoming behaviour for **Fukuzama** who was instrumental in igniting a cultural revolution that swept early Meiji-era Japan with an Encouragement of Learning, in which he talked of human rights, freedom, and equality. Zaera approves 🤣 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-return-to-eve-thread-trading-blog/476530.md?page=3)