# Need Bigger Ship for L4 **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [May 27, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291 "2019-05-27T18:24:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Matrice\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matrice_charante/32/429058_2.png) [@Matrice\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matrice_Charante)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/1 "2019-05-27T18:24:25Z")
Hi, I receive some valubale help for building my Gnosis ship for Security Level 3 mission. Since I’m an alpha player, I’m capped at Level 3 but I can do some level 4 with Omega friends and corp player. I’m a Gallente and I do have a Praxis in store. I readed the best thing to do with this ship is litterally sell it and buy something else… My 2 questions are : 1 - Is there any viable Praxis fitting for Gallente Alpha? 2- If I do sell the ship, what should I buy instead? Rattlesnake, Brutix, Myrmidon, Megathron, Dominix ? And (sub-question) Is there a prefered fitting for it? Thank you, ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/2 "2019-05-27T22:01:52Z")
Your Gnosis might struggle to do level 4 missions solo but should be fine if you’re fleeting up with friends. Keep moving - ideally orbit a friendly battleship with AB running to speed tank incoming damage from battleships. Your medium weapons and drones will apply damage well to smaller rats that the battleships have trouble hitting. Bounties will be split equally between fleet members on grid. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/3 "2019-05-27T22:25:37Z")
IIRC, the Praxis has less buffer tank than a regular battleship, and is also a painfully slow turtle. There are indeed viable fits for Gallente, or any other race for that matter as it is bonused for any weapon system, and can put out respectable dps, but that requires high skills, at which point you might as well upgrade to a real battleship. The Dominix is a great ship to start out in, once you are ready to upgrade from Gnosis, as it allows you to focus on your drone skills, which will be required eventually anyways in pretty much any battleship you fly. The Rattlesnake is also a superior choice, but eventually requires you to switch weapon skills into missiles, from Gallente hybrids. And is also expensive, but as always, fly what you can afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Matrice\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matrice_charante/32/429058_2.png) [@Matrice\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matrice_Charante)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/4 "2019-05-28T00:23:05Z")
Yeah well this is my ship : [Gnosis, \*\*Gnosis Missile] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier Target Painter I Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x4 Inferno Fury Heavy Missile x320 Around 425 dps and 31k ehp. I made it for Solo L3 and some Combat Site in High Sec. (that’s why I track and salvage). OBV for pure fighting I could add more primary weapon maybe or switch for 250mm. ---
**Author:** ![Matrice\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matrice_charante/32/429058_2.png) [@Matrice\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matrice_Charante)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/5 "2019-05-28T00:25:54Z")
Well Dominix is about 100M or 475M for Navy Issue (bit expensive for the DNI). Rattlesnake is about 400M, but required some Caldari skill that I don’t have yet… Dominix looks like a nice ship. Praxis 60M but much weaker in ehp than Dominix… ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/6 "2019-05-28T01:03:31Z")
Dominix Navy Issue gains bonus to turret damage, but loses its drone bonus for tracking and optimal. And damage application is a good portion of dps, so turns out, the regular domi can actually outperform the navy issue, especially for omegas that use the sniping MJD Dominix build. Dominix is a fine starter battleship. You can find quite a few builds to suit your needs just by doing a search on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/7 "2019-05-28T01:47:44Z")
This thread has good advice on using a Dominix, and Lv4 missioning in general even. > [@Level 4 Missions are no joke! - Dominix fit - Help!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/level-4-missions-are-no-joke-dominix-fit-help/141242): > > So I just got enough standing from running level 3s to get my first level 4 mission. I was using a stratios for the level 3s (same ship I use for combat explorations, narcotics warehouses and phi outposts) and level 3s didn’t give me even a bit of a problem. So for the level 4s I did some searching around and I came up with the fit listed below. And I promptly got blasted out of my first mission. Like, I barely made it out before I went into hull. The mission was The Blockade. My first mis… ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/8 "2019-05-28T07:07:14Z")
> [@Matrice\_Charante](#): > > I readed the best thing to do with this ship is litterally sell it and buy something else Concidering, that Praxis price is at battle cruiser level atm, I think you was scammed by that statement. Do not sell it. [Praxis, L3 alpha] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Dread Guristas Co-Processor Missile Guidance Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Missile Guidance Computer II Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Large Polycarbon Engine Housing II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Federation Navy Ogre x4 Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-603 Zainou ‘Snapshot’ Heavy Missiles HM-703 Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Capacitor Management EM-803 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Rapid Launch RL-1003 Almost 1000 DPS with alpha skills, over 500 DPS tank and over 3 AU/s warp speed. Beat that in other alpha - skill level ship under 1 billion Isk tag and I will admit I was wrong. Yes, praxis is slow, but very agile. You do not need to chaise targets all over the grid in L3 security missions. You need to get into warp quick and Praxis is better, than most other BS hulls here. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/9 "2019-05-28T08:00:16Z")
I’m not a fan of using an MWD for PVE. You can run an afterburner continuously and it will double the speed of the Gnosis with no signature bloom. If you’re doing missions as a fleet I recommend using the DPS ships to blitz and have an ALT in a Noctis follow them to loot & salvage. I’ve recommended a couple of modifications to your fit - I don’t have an Alpha with missile skills so you may be a bit tight on CPU. I recommend carrying some Precision missiles for small rats. [Gnosis, \*\*Gnosis Missile] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Peripheral Compact Target Painter Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery Drone Navigation Computer II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x4 Inferno Fury Heavy Missile x320 Inferno Precision Heavy Missile x1000 Another option would be the Drake. Massive passive tank will serve you well in L4 missions. [Drake, Drake fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Peripheral Compact Target Painter Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Hornet II x5 A Praxis with rapid heavy launchers would likely work well in a fleet context. I prefer an MJD on a battleship but don’t think Alphas can fit them. ---
**Author:** ![Terak\_Romaller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terak_romaller/32/374271_2.png) [@Terak\_Romaller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terak_Romaller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/10 "2019-05-28T11:21:14Z")
I suspect the answer is rather dependant on the role you play in the fleet and the general composition of the fleet - and indeed how the NPCs respond to aggressors and in what order they prioritise the capsuleers engaging them. My recollection of running a small fleet into missions is that the NPCs go for the larger threat, and that my instructions to those flying with me was “if you are targeted and can’t manage the incoming damage, then break off - repair and return when you can”. What would I want as a wingman in a Level 4 mission? A damage dealer that could handle the smaller ships while I used a battleship to kill the larger targets. Your Gnosis works well for that. I’d also like a wingman that could keep up with me if I had a Micro Jump Drive - otherwise I’d be nervous about jumping out of the frying pan and leaving you to burn. I don’t know if you can fit a MJD, but if you can they really are useful! The other like would be for a compatible tank - especially if I’m providing Command Bursts (though I’m less likely with the changes!) or remote repairs/boosts of some sort (even less likely unless you are in the same alliance as I am!) I suspect here the real question I have is “why are you looking at trading out of the Gnosis?” - is there an issue with those you fly with? and what are they expecting of you? Fleets are more about mutual compatibility rather than absolute best. The Praxis is a “good enough” ship (I’ve raised my “it’s a bit of a jack of all trades compared to more specialised masters” issues) - so a good Rapid Heavy Missile fit, with drones is probably a good start - especially as the heavy missiles apply better against small ships than, say, my large beam lasers would if everything got a little close in. The Praxis is also (give or take) half the price of an Apocalypse. I suspect I’m rather in the space here of “what’s wrong with flying the Gnosis?” - you may want to hold off until you can fly an Empire T1 battleship with a reasonable fitting: something that could in principle solo a Level4 mission if the fleet wasn’t there with you. ---
**Author:** ![Zildjian\_Cymbalia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zildjian_cymbalia/32/138180_2.png) [@Zildjian\_Cymbalia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zildjian_Cymbalia)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/11 "2019-05-28T14:49:13Z")
Im running a praxis and it has the same buffer as a raven, does level 4 missions without a hitch. just have to make sure your drones take out any scrammers quick in case something gets deep in your shields, but so far not an issue at all. however, im running cruise missiles, not hybrids. if you want , i can send you a fit nxt time i am in game. and using all alpha fit to boot. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/12 "2019-05-28T14:50:49Z")
> [@Zildjian\_Cymbalia](#): > > just have to make sure your drones take out any scrammers quick in case something gets deep Large microjump drive is a universal GTFO button. Because ordinary rats do not scram, they disrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/13 "2019-05-28T15:04:59Z")
universal then means no-alpha ? ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/14 "2019-05-28T15:09:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > universal then means no-alpha Means it is an answer to any trouble you get in L4 as long as you have enough cap. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/15 "2019-05-28T15:15:25Z")
it is not an answer if you are an alpha. (which OP stated he is) > [@Matrice\_Charante](#): > > Since I’m an alpha player, I’m capped at Level 3 but I can do some level 4 with Omega friends and corp player. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/16 "2019-05-28T15:18:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > it is not an answer if you are an alpha. (which OP stated he is) > > Since I’m an alpha player, I’m capped at Level 3 but I can do some level 4 with Omega friends and corp player. 1. I did not answered to OP in my post, did I? 2. Topic is called “for L4”. So I do not care alpha or not. I care about ways how to do L4 in most efficient way. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/17 "2019-05-28T15:19:16Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > I did not answered to OP in my post, did I? yes you were. > [@erg\_cz](#): > > Topic is called “for L4”. So I do not care alpha or not. “topic said “Bigger” so I will only talk how to improve your genitals size”. If you can’t make an effort to remain in the topic, please prevent yourself from posting until you find the energy to not be an asshole. [https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/) > In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: > > - Off-Topic Posting ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/18 "2019-05-28T15:27:24Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > yes you were. Matrice Charante is the same name as Zildjian Cymbalia? Please learn to read > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > until you find the energy to not be an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Matrice\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matrice_charante/32/429058_2.png) [@Matrice\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matrice_Charante)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/19 "2019-05-28T15:41:13Z")
Ok thnx for the advice I’ll try to resume all valubale answer I received : I love my gnosis and yes I can improve it, Even with Alpha I’m planing to do level 4 with a friend who help me a lot (Hi Terak), but I found 32k ehp and 450 dps gnosis is underpowered and much more risky to flight. @Cincinnatus : Forgot to check ship bonus, I agree Dominix looks better than DNI. @Erg : Praxis is about 918 dps for me and 43k ehp which is a big improvement from my gnosis. But you do require a little bit more ISK than I tought… will have to work around that and keep saving. @Do Little : Didn’t realize MWD wasn’t as good… but a 10MN afterburned is better? Also my gnosis is currenrly used ofr L3 security which I want to keep salvage and tracker for now. Maybe eventually I’ll get a ship JUST for salvaging. I will have to test your fitting tonight has all our mid slot are different, but dmg and ehp look the same. That Drake goes to nearly 57k ehp for me and only cost 180M… pretty cool, but 421 dps seems a bit low. Will study… @Terak : Yeah goal would be to be the one who deal the most dmg quickly but also survive with a little bit of heat. I just feel my gnosis at 31k eph is really low compared to Praxis with 42k ehp but nearly 1k DPS. @Zildjian : Yes if you can provide your fitting that’s the kind of desciption I need. and yes it’s for L4 Alpha, I know I can’t DO them, but I can participate ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291/20 "2019-05-28T15:44:36Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > Matrice Charante is the same name as Zildjian Cymbalia? zildjan was answering to matrice. Learn to read posts, not words, ■■■■■■■ idiot. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/need-bigger-ship-for-l4/162291.md?page=2)