# Negative/toxic culture towards new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377 "2024-09-02T20:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/263 "2024-09-18T13:35:52Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > back in the days when Eve University was free Have they introduced charges? ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/264 "2024-09-18T13:36:29Z")
I did mention making people more aware of all helpful and useful materials needed to help them learn the game 🙂 this includes the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/265 "2024-09-18T13:37:01Z")
I was riffing on boomerisms 😛 …my feedo likes his avocado lattes and netflix btw ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/266 "2024-09-18T13:38:14Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Yes but this was back in the days when Eve University was free and an Athanor was only 3x the average annual salary instead of 25x the average annual salary Eve University is free and online…as are 20,000 ‘how to’ videos that didn’t exist 10 years ago. Cost of an Athanor ? Fueled up, about £10. Even I can afford one on my pension. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/267 "2024-09-18T13:39:51Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > I did mention No, I do get it, RGC, but for the life of me I cannot understand the lack of effort invested by some new players in a game which is about (among other things) rewarding effort. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/268 "2024-09-18T13:40:01Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > my campaign was about making highsec safer for the average player new and old alike. tbh thats a thing I don’t really understand. Safer? Why safer? 99.99% of all people in HS are _never_ ganked. You can learn everything you need to know about how to avoid being ganked in less than a day. It’s not even witchcraft, it’s some basic 1+1 and paying attention. And you want it _safer_? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/269 "2024-09-18T13:40:15Z")
Pensioners are literally the wealthiest demographic though 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/270 "2024-09-18T13:41:22Z")
Lol. You should save that one for April 1st. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/271 "2024-09-18T14:01:43Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I would take this thread more seriously if the complaints were coming from hordes of new players themselves Rookie channel would have people talking/crying/asking about being ganked a whole lot more than it is now (less than once a day or even several days). It’s simply not a newbie issue. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/272 "2024-09-18T14:04:30Z")
Oh I agree but most people don’t and won’t go out of their way to look up things they feel should be provided for them. I’ll take this back to a job. You start a new job, should they provide you everything you need to do the job or should you look it up yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/273 "2024-09-18T14:06:39Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > As I previously stated… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/f/d/4fde4b3335e5dbd6e45365be03ea7d9e1e79d6b9.gif) ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/274 "2024-09-18T14:08:18Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I’ve agreed to a couple of exit interviews, where I thought there were issues on which I could offer an opinion. The panels appeared to be grateful for my feedback, whether or not it informed their future decision making. That was my experience, at least. If they cared they would have fixed the issue while you still worked for them. Not waited until you left. They only wanna make sure you aren’t planning to sue them or try to make the company look bad now that you aren’t working for them. Possibly even make you sign paperwork. If we wanted to take a look at your standpoint here with exit interviews. Do you believe a suitable option would be for CCP to send a notification to anyone who uninstalls or deletes a character asking them to specify why in an attempt to make improvements based on those metrics gathered? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/275 "2024-09-18T14:20:32Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > I’ll take this back to a job. You start a new job, should they provide you everything you need to do the job There are aspects of any job which are performed differently according to the prevalent culture. For those, help is welcome. But I bring to any job for which I’ve been hired the experience and accumulated information which informed the decision of my (then) potential employer at interview. Also, I looked carefully at their track record and available (public) data. I think the Americans call it ‘due diligence’. I call it common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/276 "2024-09-18T14:20:51Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > This includes protecting newer members and then > [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > No direct routes between trade hubs without needing to enter low/nul. Moving things between hubs would be more complicated and dangerous. proving **Aiko** right yet again > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The newbros who join him are doomed, cannon fodder meanwhile > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Nowhere in RGC’s long essay does he acknowledge or refute the allegation that he PRETENDS to help new players in order to tax them. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/277 "2024-09-18T14:23:00Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > Do you believe a suitable option would be for CCP to send a notification to anyone who uninstalls or deletes a character asking them to specify why No, RGC, I don’t. It wouldn’t work. I think a lot of folks simply ignore such requests - a bit like your not doing exit interviews; once you’re gone, you’re gone! ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/278 "2024-09-18T14:25:16Z")
This is exactly why I asked you the question 🙂 like I said. If they cared they would fix the problem while people are still here not after they’ve left. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/279 "2024-09-18T14:34:30Z")
I think it’s probably because they don’t regard it as a problem _for them_. About jobs: If you’re good (and they know you’re good) and you leave, they might have a genuine interest in why you’re going. About EVE: If you go, someone will come along and take your place, whatever you think needs fixing. If, however, you’ve been around a while, made a name for yourself, subbed lots of accounts and invested in their horrible little SKINs, etc., they might well be troubled, but only if a significant number of players of this type decide to bail. All things are not equal. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/280 "2024-09-18T14:35:54Z")
What you are suggesting is harrassment via unsolicited email to somebody who has quit wanting nothing more to do with the game. Most lilkely they have moved on to some carebear game like final fantasy XIV ,strutting around as a bunny girl. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/2/b/82bc6f3196a38b24f1081e5261a6d5ce6cfc7ee3.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/515826_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/281 "2024-09-18T15:54:26Z")
Capsuleers come and go all the time with some returning and others staying. & Don’t you think that Fangs on a bunny are cute? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/282 "2024-09-18T17:02:46Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > Don’t you think that Fangs on a bunny are cute? Her dad is probably not thrilled about her life choices [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=15)