# Negative/toxic culture towards new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377 "2024-09-02T20:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/21 "2024-09-02T21:26:20Z")
Welcome to EvE Online Kara! šŸŽ‚ Iā€™m gonna send you a FREE newbro Catalyst! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/5/a/15a70675bc28063bc59563d55e4237da62e8c1be.png) ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/22 "2024-09-02T21:26:54Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I read what you wrote: > > 1. you roleplayed as a new player, when you have played the game a decade longer than me > 2. you whined about ganking, after you died in lowsec > 3. you claimed the game will die if new players donā€™t receive social welfare payments and free handouts > 4. you claimed Eve is toxic when its objectively pretty mild compared to many other games > 5. you blamed PvP players for the toxic atmosphere in PvE fleets > 6. you pretended that it is griefing if another player happens to be better than you and take advantage of your refusal to get better (ie: stop mining AFK in lowsec) 1. I clearly stated upfront how long Iā€™ve been playing for. You didnā€™t read. 2. I didnā€™t whine about dying in lowsec. If I did, please quote me. 3. ā€œsocial welfare payments and free handoutsā€ wasnā€™t mentioned once by me. I never stated anything remotely close to that. Again, if I did, quote me. 4. Thatā€™s a stretch, but okay. 5. Where exactly did I say PVP players in PVE fleets are the issue? How did you get that from what I said? Again, quote what I said. 6. I never AFK mine in lowsec. Whatā€™s your source here? 7. Again, where was I pretending to be a new player? I said what I have witnessed in fleets towards new players was demoralizing. If you want to have a good conversation with someone, you should start by not putting words in their mouth. This is a bad conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/23 "2024-09-02T21:29:59Z")
Toxic? EVEā€™s community is one of the most helpful and most social gaming communities in dozens of online games I have played. People do tend to be a bit direct and harsh against people who make unrealistic demands, but if a new player is honest, asking for advice or willing to learn rather than blaming other players for their failures they will find a very welcoming and helpful community in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/24 "2024-09-02T21:30:42Z")
> [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](#): > > where was I pretending to be a new player? Letā€™s seeā€¦ > [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](#): > > new players > [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](#): > > new players > [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](#): > > new players > [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](#): > > a new game Is there some other new player you are advocating for? ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Girl\_Kara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/good_girl_kara/32/494832_2.png) [@Good\_Girl\_Kara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Good_Girl_Kara)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/25 "2024-09-02T21:32:19Z")
Thank you, o kind soul! You must be one of the most helpful people in EVE, even better than that weird dude named Mike Azariah or smth like that who told me i should go and die in the ship he gave me! You donā€™t ask for anything in return šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/26 "2024-09-02T21:32:25Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Toxic? > > EVEā€™s community is one of the most helpful and most social gaming communities in dozens of online games I have played. > > People do tend to be a bit direct and harsh against people who make unrealistic demands, but if a new player is honest, asking for advice or willing to learn rather than blaming other players for their failures they will find a very welcoming and helpful community in EVE. Thatā€™s how I remembered the game but not what I am seeing currently. Iā€™m glad it feels different where you are. ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/27 "2024-09-02T21:34:53Z")
You couldnā€™t put together from any of my post that what I am seeing towards new players is toxicity? You are already trying to have a conversation with things I didnā€™t say. Iā€™m not sure how else to communicate to you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/28 "2024-09-02T21:36:44Z")
My apologies, I naturally assumed you were talking about yourself. If you would like to help a new player, why donā€™t you just contract them some ships or isk? I believe Kara, above, is a new player. Sheā€™s a good girl, so feel free to send her some gifts and maybe a few tips (since you are an experienced 15 year old veteran). I think she recently trained the Catalyst, and is looking for additional hulls and modules (ie: neutron blasters and magnetic field stabilizers). Instead of complaining about ā€œtoxicā€ players, just stand up yourself and help the newbros. Thatā€™s what I do. Be the change you wish to see. ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/29 "2024-09-02T21:38:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Iā€™m confused about why you think new players deserve anything at all? Thatā€™s a serious question. Are you proposing social welfare in video games? ā€œIā€™m confused about why you think new players deserve anything at all? Thatā€™s a serious question. Are you proposing social welfare in video games?ā€ This was your first response to me. lol ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/30 "2024-09-02T21:39:46Z")
Yes, it sure sounds like you think new players should be treated better than other players. However, what have you done to help a new player lately? If you want to show kindness toward others, this is your chance right here today. Are you ready to help a new player, or not? ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/31 "2024-09-02T21:40:39Z")
There you go again, assuming and putting words in my mouth. Bad conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/32 "2024-09-02T21:41:34Z")
Do you even know one new player? ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/33 "2024-09-02T21:46:19Z")
Quite a few yes. Iā€™ve been helping them knock out their AIR career program, Iā€™ve taken some of them on L3 missions and helped them in fleets when people running them have been absolute garbage to them. Your point? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/34 "2024-09-02T21:46:40Z")
Well, whereā€™s the toxicity? Thatā€™s my point. ---
**Author:** ![Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunavera_poxicon/32/432298_2.png) [@Lunavera\_Poxicon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunavera_Poxicon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/35 "2024-09-02T21:47:11Z")
So because Iā€™m not being toxic towards them no one is. Thatā€™s good logic. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/36 "2024-09-02T21:47:43Z")
Okā€¦ and who are you accusing of griefing who exactly? Let us know when you have some specific grievance. ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Girl\_Kara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/good_girl_kara/32/494832_2.png) [@Good\_Girl\_Kara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Good_Girl_Kara)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/37 "2024-09-02T21:49:27Z")
Tbf sounds like youā€™re flying with wrong people, dude. If theyā€™re toxic to you - just go change your friends or whatever, no? I tried FW, got bored of its toxicā„¢ meta and decided to move to highsec doing elite pvp. Some time after that I got contacted with a cool offer which I accepted. Im learning lots of things about the game and having a blast playing it. Sounds like a ā€œyouā€ problem - again, just donā€™t fly with toxic people! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/38 "2024-09-02T21:50:28Z")
If you want to join Safety, let me know. Your newbro friends are also invited. We have no skillpoint requirements, no mandatory fleets, no taxes. We are a Highsec guild, based in Oisio and Yria. We offer daily fleet content in that region. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/39 "2024-09-02T21:55:00Z")
> [@Good\_Girl\_Kara](#): > > Tbf sounds like youā€™re flying with wrong people, dude OP is in SEADC, the biggest low effort and problematics magnet group out there. The only people who join that and stay there are the super lazy and/or problematic folks. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/40 "2024-09-02T21:56:50Z")
Even Cat Sky Live left that community because he said it was too toxic. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=3)