# Negative/toxic culture towards new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377 "2024-09-02T20:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/81 "2024-09-03T11:34:16Z")
A bear is not participating in bear hunting until he receives a bullet or runs from a hunter. Just because bear hunting is allowed where it lives does not make its life “bear hunting”. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/82 "2024-09-03T11:34:57Z")
In times gone by - and it may still be the case - abuse of new players was commonly encountered in Highsec mining corporations, where it took the form of teaching them mining and little else, and required of them the daily drudgery of filling the vaults and coffers of a despotic CEO. They knew no better, poor things; it was definitely an exit route for some of them. I picked up a few and some sought sustenance elsewhere within the game. Abuse of new players is not confined to PvP oriented pilots. In many situations where a human being is given authority over others, you’ll find people like this. Of course, they couldn’t do it if there were not a ready supply of gullible folks on hand. So, EVE imitates Life. I don’t know what you can do about it; certainly, CCP dare not completely sanitize the game, even if they could. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/83 "2024-09-03T11:38:40Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > So, EVE imitates Life. I don’t know what you can do about it; certainly, CCP dare not completely sanitize the game, even if they could. First thing to do, is to admit that just because it happens, does not mean it’s acceptable. Society is about policing relations, not about legalizing the statu quo. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/84 "2024-09-03T11:41:50Z")
The vast majority of high sec industry corps exist to feed the CEO (and his in crowd) isk and resources below cost. Milked from newbies, afks and uninformed players. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/85 "2024-09-03T11:41:58Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > In times gone by - and it may still be the case - abuse of new players was commonly encountered in Highsec mining corporations, where it took the form of teaching them mining and little else, and required of them the daily drudgery of filling the vaults and coffers of a despotic CEO. They knew no better, poor things; it was definitely an exit route for some of them. Meh…I’ve seen situations where there’s been 350 in corp chat and only 120 turn up for some important battle despite being offered free combat ships. That leads me to believe some simply _don’t want_ anything other than mining even when offered the chance to do something else. ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Frost](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_frost/32/415160_2.png) [@Quadra\_Frost](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Frost)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/86 "2024-09-03T11:58:41Z")
For the same reason you believe you’re entitled to tag pimp - playing a RP Lord behind Concord. The life of protected multi-boxer drones, social welfare to the extreme. Thanks to CCP being so clueless about this one-track privilege, even your former “AG” opposition have left their gank simulator. An entire game loop killed by a privilege that benefits you. So you surely can’t be confused if newbies also want some welfare gifting? ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/87 "2024-09-03T12:04:39Z")
Did it occur to you that lots of these chars don’t have the skills for something else than flying a barge or explo ship? 120 out 350 is actually a very good cut for a PVP fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/88 "2024-09-03T12:08:09Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > some simply _don’t want_ anything other than mining even when offered the chance to do something else. Yes, there will always be those, too. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/89 "2024-09-03T12:11:57Z")
> [@Quadra\_Frost](#): > > An entire game loop killed by a privilege that benefits you. Are you jealous? ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/90 "2024-09-03T12:15:31Z")
Are you that pretty irl too ? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/91 "2024-09-03T12:23:29Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > First thing to do, is to admit that just because it happens, does not mean it’s acceptable. It’s acceptable in-game. I have certainly ganked new players mining in asteroid belts in Highsec. It was great fun. Maybe some of them found it amusing, too. I care not. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/92 "2024-09-03T12:26:44Z")
Literally my point. You don’t care. Does not mean it’s acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Frost](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_frost/32/415160_2.png) [@Quadra\_Frost](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Frost)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/93 "2024-09-03T12:27:03Z")
Are you glorifying your tag-pimping, or giving hails to CCP for killing their income statement on your behalf? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/94 "2024-09-03T12:34:14Z")
Ccp finds it acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/95 "2024-09-03T12:40:30Z")
> [@Quadra\_Frost](#): > > For the same reason you believe you’re entitled to tag pimp - playing a RP Lord behind Concord. The life of protected multi-boxer drones, social welfare to the extreme. Quadra _Frost_ Quadra _Frost_ Quadra _Frost_ 🤔 😊 🍿 @Felix_Frostpacker 😏 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/96 "2024-09-03T12:40:32Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Does not mean it’s acceptable. You perhaps don’t think it (whatever ‘it’ may be) is acceptable; I may find ‘it’ to be not only acceptable but commendable, whether ‘Society’ agrees with me or not. There are things which ‘Society’ deems unacceptable, but these change over time. In EVE it isn’t surprising that CCP has found it necessary to adjust the permitted parameters of inter-player behaviour (including taunting) as changes occur in the wider (mostly Global Western) world. I’m not sure there is even an issue here, Stefnia. No doubt you’ll let me know if there is. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/97 "2024-09-03T12:41:54Z")
No they don’t. The point was about > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Abuse of new players is not confined to PvP oriented pilots. That should not be considered acceptable just because it happens. And CCP does not find it acceptable : > a measure of protection is offered to new players. > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/98 "2024-09-03T12:43:53Z")
Im talking about ganking. Ccp finds it acceptable. Once you leave that bubble, or past 30 days you’re not a rookie in their eyes ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/99 "2024-09-03T12:44:06Z")
Then you’re off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377/100 "2024-09-03T12:46:25Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > a measure of protection No doubt, if CCP found the behaviour ‘unacceptable’ they’d not be offering merely ‘a measure of protection’. This implies that what some might regard as abuse of new players is not _wholly_ regarded as ‘unacceptable’ by CCP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/negative-toxic-culture-towards-new-players/460377.md?page=6)