# Nerf Ganking Megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 7, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004 "2021-03-07T02:12:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 258
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5272 "2022-07-31T14:28:26Z")
I think many do, I have had some interesting discussion with people who just fitted for yield for example. People make the choice to fit for pure yield, it is a justified decision for them. My slant on this is a little different, I see it as player against player in what is a reasonable level of multi-boxing in a restricted area of the game. I work on a DPS of 700, and 22 seconds in 0.5 systems. 15,400 per catalyst. So if the tanked mining ship could not be tanked to survive 2 catalyst in that 0.5 system then they were not viable. My assessment was that I had to look at 5 Catalysts as being the benchmark which is greater than 77,000 EHP which makes the tanked Mackinaw viable at 80k. So that is all tank and only a single Mining upgrade laser. Previously I had benchmarked the Skiff at needing to be at 13 Catalysts because there was one guy running around miner ganking with that many accounts, now 9 is fine. I suppose we sort of see it the same way, but I happen to think that more targeted ganks are a better thing for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5273 "2022-07-31T16:39:39Z")
Did you answer the question before: What do YOU think would be good values for a max yield solo non-attention semi-afk mining barge for highsec-use? More than a combat-battlecruiser? more than a brick-tanked commandship? more than a slave-implanted-fleetboosted-battleship? where is the limit that is still reasonable from your perspective? maybe after remembering that they cost barely 50M and are available after a few days of skilling… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5274 "2022-07-31T16:48:22Z")
I will guess 20 minutes from undock to redock with a full load. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5275 "2022-07-31T16:48:27Z")
I have already said that they are now in a good place, if the miner goes full yield then it will take two catalysts in a 0.5 system, that is a good base point in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5276 "2022-07-31T16:53:34Z")
so then, if miners have a fair value for their ships now, in which sections ganking still needs to be nerfed from your perspective? haulers? freighters? mission-/abyssalrunners? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5277 "2022-07-31T17:00:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > if the miner goes full yield then it will take two catalysts in a 0.5 system Wouldn’t you agree that gankers should be able to make a profit from ganking, and either the cost of the catalyst should be reduced, or the value of mining modules be increased? Afterall, it wouldn’t be balanced if ganking is not financially sustainable. Miners earn isk/hr from mining, but gankers have no financial incentive to shoot them. ---
**Author:** ![Adorno\_Ado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adorno_ado/32/328584_2.png) [@Adorno\_Ado](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adorno_Ado)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5278 "2022-07-31T17:13:37Z")
highsec ganking shouldn’t be in the game in the first place no more, its outdated game design, there is no mmo on the market left which forces their players into permanent pvp for a reason you hs gankers make less than 1% of all pvp yet cause way to much frustration, especially for newbros checking out the game hs ganking will get removed sooner or later ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5279 "2022-07-31T17:14:09Z")
> [@Adorno\_Ado](#): > > highsec ganking shouldn’t be in the game Are you speaking for Dracvlad? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5280 "2022-07-31T17:15:11Z")
No. And this is where the mentality behind ganking became a problem. I’ll never advocate for ganking to be removed from Eve, but you’re not entitled to profits from ganking. Ganking used to be about making a point, a statement, or just having fun. The moment people began pursuing it as a ‘career’ path is the moment Concord should have been recoded to be more adaptive and patrol high gank locations much more heavily, in much the same way a real world equivalent police force is supposed to work. But Concord is static, and Eve favors the aggressor, generally speaking. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, favoring the aggressor, mind, but the two together allowed that ideology of 'ganking should be profitable and pursuable as an actual career to flourish. That’s where the issue is. If you want to gank, I 150% support you. But you’re not entitled to profits, and in light of Concord not being able to react fluidly, well, yes, an imbalance occurs, and we end up here. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5281 "2022-07-31T17:15:34Z")
> [@Kenrailae](#): > > you’re not entitled to profits from ganking. Are you speaking for Dracvlad? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5282 "2022-07-31T17:16:04Z")
You asked a question on an open forum. Anyone is free to answer. If you don’t like it, don’t post. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5283 "2022-07-31T17:17:39Z")
Are you crying right now? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5284 "2022-07-31T17:17:56Z")
Projection, your Honor. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5285 "2022-07-31T17:20:43Z")
Should people in nullsec be able to earn isk? Maybe CONCORD should restrict nullblobbers too? If you want to live in nullsec, I 200% support you, but the moment you try to turn it into a career path and feel entitled to earn isk, that’s where I draw the line. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5286 "2022-07-31T17:21:25Z")
Strawmanning, your Honor. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5287 "2022-07-31T17:22:06Z")
Is it a strawman? Why not extend CONCORD to nullsec? Why should you be allowed to grief new players without consequence? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5288 "2022-07-31T17:23:12Z")
Aiko, I’ve been around these forums for years. You’re gonna have to go open the good cans of trolling to get anywhere with me. Yes, it is a strawman, you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5289 "2022-07-31T17:23:37Z")
I don’t think you know the definition of a strawman argument. You are just using big words. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5290 "2022-07-31T17:25:10Z")
> [@Kenrailae](#): > > I’ve been around these forums for years. I believe you. According to your killboard, you haven’t undocked in years. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/5291 "2022-07-31T17:25:11Z")
You literally misrepresented my position as somehow equivalent to something about Null sec, so you could then attack it. That’s literally the definition of a strawman. > A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making. Now, either open the cans of the good stuff, or don’t bother. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=257) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=259)