# Nerf Ganking Megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 7, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004 "2021-03-07T02:12:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 394
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8461 "2022-09-08T21:01:59Z")
The never ending story… ![giphy (61)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/4/3441338c2cf0302eac8321cab312a4ac95afe9e8.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8463 "2022-09-08T21:12:37Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > there is a third option, maybe your views are just outdated. That’s a possibility, an interesting one, since we already established a common ground on reverting some of the old changes that addressed “hisec pvp” in a wrong way resulting in today’s look and feel of “ganking in hisec”. Hey, maybe we can come to a resolution of this. Who would have thunk. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The moment I ~~have a strong opinion~~ gaslight you disagree ~~with~~ _and_ then we’re back to square one ftfy > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > > > ISK value has no relation to griefing, or even ganking. They are legit targets, thus can be killed. > > It speaks to intent though. If you’re claiming they are ganking for profit then there is no reason to gank ships that cannot possibly be profitable It does not. If the game allows to shoot, that liberty is all that is required, no ulterior motives. And I explicitly said ganks and isk are not necessarily connected. It’s fun shooting peeps, like it’s fun kicking a ball, or racing the other guy to the finish. It’s a g a m e . . . ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8464 "2022-09-08T21:14:11Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > “Tears of the day” Yes, there was a blog post entitled [Tears of the Day](http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/08/tears-of-day.html) As always, Lucas is dishonest, and distorts the context, pretending this is some prime example of griefer gameplay. This happened more than ten years ago, and CCP has still not banned James 315. The only reasonable conclusion is that CCP is ok with this blog, and Lucas is just going to have to accept reality. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/1/6/416183d023cda40aecb044ca8a9e246a7a0823bf.jpeg) Wow, that is extreme “griefing”! 😲 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8465 "2022-09-08T21:15:23Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > now that’s what the majority of ganking is about. In your opinion 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you’re claiming they are ganking for profit then there is no reason to gank ships that cannot possibly be profitable Not true. You gank the ships for profit as you need to keep funding the ganking. You also gank for profit so you can afford to gank for lulz 😃 You’d know this if you knew anything about ganking. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have had direct involvement in ganking, solo, multibox and fleet. Sure LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve even had a character that used to join in the popping new players, but pulled the rip cord pretty damn quick when I saw it was just being used as an excuse to harass targets. Drop the char name 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I even signed on with miniluv for a short while and was screamed and then purged when I dared to speak out publicly against griefing. Drop the char 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Only in that he’s humble. Tora, James and Gevlon all had some successes but the amount they blew their own trumpet far exceeded their achievements. James ultimately achieved very little. Actually the fact that peeps still talk about James but I’ve never heard of Tora or Gevlon says volumes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8467 "2022-09-08T21:24:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ironic considering we’re talking about people who create an out of game blog to share them deliberately goading other players into outrage. It doesn’t stop there, if it’s just a game why do they also target streamers and record their live reactions to their griefing while encouraging their fanatics to go on twitch and harass the streamed in their chat? > > The “it’s a game” angle would only work if the gankers were themselves remaining within the confines of the game, but they aren’t. Why wouldn’t it? You are engaging in a meta part of the game right now 😃 LOL, the only thing you engage in is the forums my guy 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Or we could stay with reality and point out that CCP is incredibly hesitant to act on anything that occurs on third party platforms. Not really. It provides good views and good publicity. Man. The jealously is strong huh? I’m sorry bruv, no one will read your blog 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8468 "2022-09-08T21:30:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > if it’s just a game why do they also target streamers and record their live reactions Why do streamers record their own live reactions? Should we ban the streamers? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8469 "2022-09-08T21:31:34Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > without goon backing he wouldn’t have even have a minor success You don’t know the story, and I’m certainly not going to tell it you. James needed no-one’s help to make money. He had green fingers where that was concerned, and Aiko’s the same - folk just can’t stop depositing ISK in that account of hers! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Early on - back in 2012 - there was “Tears of the day”. Guarantee it. Go check. You are right, Lucas, there were indeed a few blogposts titled ‘Tears of the Day’ on Minerbumping, in 2012 - (I’ll go back and have a good chortle when I’m done here!). There were 5 such posts in August and 4 in September of that year (James never continued it) - out of a total of 113 total posts for the 2 months. But yes, you were right. (See? It’s easily done - and I gained from the experience!). ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8471 "2022-09-08T21:34:48Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 That’s OK, I have no real interest in waiting around to see what you can make up anyway. Bro you live here 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8472 "2022-09-08T21:34:57Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > By that logic though it means that there can never be any intent. Nope, that would make you fail your exam for logic. You cannot draw conclusions from an empty box other than it’s empty. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ironic considering we’re talking about people who create an out of game blog to share them deliberately goading other players into outrage. It doesn’t stop there, if it’s just a game why do they also target streamers and record their live reactions to their griefing while encouraging their fanatics to go on twitch and harass the streamed in their chat? From logic to the math chapter on hyperboles ? Only in this thread. The deliberate goal is to extort ISK, which is good business, not tears because those don’t have ISK value. The violence following a refusal to pay the ISK is bad business, because it drives up the working costs of the operation (that’s the rp element in play). In EvE there are consequences to bad behaviour. Producing salt and tears, or worse, may land you on a blog. That’s still better than landing yourself on a ticket for (alleged) griefing and threatening, no ? As to streamers, almost all of them know how to take precautions against ganking and are not interfered with at all (Merk, Pando, Brisc, BjornBee, Marquee, EVElog, to name a few). They are not above the rest of EvE. One guy got cocky in bloody Caldari hisec…, and was (only) bumped last week. Big deal eh ? Major crime against humanity, a sign of the utmost toxicity. Btw, fanatics do not need any encouragement. Then again, overreactions beget more reactions. Last week’s incident had a clear starting point. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8473 "2022-09-08T21:34:58Z")
Oh, wow, here’s another one: [Tears of the Day](http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/09/tears-of-day-rage-of-vheronis.html) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/4/3/a43a2bcc6b468b428f0ca67d29177753da9c392d.jpeg) Hey, this is great stuff - that James fellow sounds like my kinda guy! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/2/c92b5a2abde096500992c8dfb62400f73dbd6fa7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8474 "2022-09-08T21:36:29Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve even had a character that used to join in the popping new players Did I read that right @Lucas_Kell that you took part in griefing new players? That is not cool. That has never been ok. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8475 "2022-09-08T21:37:26Z")
Lucas tried to grief newbs, but he wasn’t any good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8476 "2022-09-08T21:47:22Z")
> [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > Did I read that right @Lucas_Kell that you took part in griefing new players? > > That is not cool. That has never been ok. I expect this is a lie as well 😃 Although I wouldn’t put it past him to grief people. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8477 "2022-09-08T21:50:37Z")
Does that mean he slipped under ccp’s radar ? Slippery ! Very slippery ! ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8478 "2022-09-08T21:50:50Z")
Dear me. How on earth do you manage to appear more obnoxious in victory than you are in defeat? Because you can’t be defeated!! Now I get it! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8479 "2022-09-08T21:52:33Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > > [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > > > Did I read that right @Lucas_Kell that you took part in griefing new players? > > > > That is not cool. That has never been ok. > > I expect this is a lie as well I’m not sure what would be gained by this lie. Either he has griefed new players and his guilt over doing such a shitty thing is making him project his motives for ganking onto other people. Thereby eroding his position as someone who campaigns for ganking to be removed. Or He lied and is actively griefing gankers currently by making ■■■■ up to smear them in the forums outside of the game. There isn’t a win in this scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8480 "2022-09-08T21:55:50Z")
You gotta realize bro, he isn’t exactly rational. He wants to “win” in his mind by whatever means. He has to say hes done ganking because he’s already been exposed that he has no clear knowledge of actual ganking. Also the stories he claimed are very familar. I’m 98% certain I know whose alt he is LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8481 "2022-09-08T22:05:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I wouldn’t put it past him to grief people. Most antigankers are failed griefers, and they try to “grief the griefers” because they are salty someone else is better at the game. This is certainly the case with Lucas, who tried ganking but flunked out of ganker training. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8483 "2022-09-08T22:13:13Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s what hanging out with goons gets you. Careful, if you talk about your dislike of Goonswarm you’ll get a legion of them parroting “BANDWAGON!” like they have been trained to do. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8484 "2022-09-08T22:13:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > To some extent that current gankers still actively grief new players, yes I did. I didn’t actually drag anyone in to chats or send mails but I engaged in some of the ganking, and after seeing the interactions of other gankers doing it I realised just a repulsive it was. That’s what hanging out with goons gets you. Huh. So you gonna drop that char or [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=393) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=395)