# Nerf Ganking Megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 7, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004 "2021-03-07T02:12:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 403
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8689 "2022-09-10T07:34:01Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I feel compelled to quote you because you’re a serial deleter-of-posts because you know you spew toxic 💩 . Do you truly not see any problems with your behavior? You’re doing Amarr Jebus work by quoting him so he can’t delete later 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8690 "2022-09-10T08:02:15Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > My guy, you made the claim first. That onus is on you. I await you proving her alleged alt is a ganker 😃 > > Remember, you always argue in good faith right? So you must know you made the claim first, thereby the onus of proof is on you, right? 😃 Lucas completely missed the fact I do my ganking on main because I’m a chad. I’m ashamed at the poor quality of zkill detective work on this forum 😛 It’s a matter of 2 clicks to find a character’s concorded killmails via the trophy page of zkill. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8691 "2022-09-10T08:47:32Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > It is though. You admitted you troll yourself: Nope, being entertained is not trolling. Thanks for yet again making a post that tries to attack me rather than debating the subject. > [@Katya\_Itzimaru](#): > > I’m ashamed at the poor quality of zkill detective work on this forum I had zero intention of doing any detective work. I felt it was reasonable enough to assume someone fighting in favour of gankers was probably a ganker. It’s usually the case. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8692 "2022-09-10T08:56:36Z")
Make Hilmar richer Ban ganking today. Have YOU reported a griefer yet? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8693 "2022-09-10T10:17:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Thanks for yet again making a post that tries to attack me What attack the truth LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I had zero intention of doing any detective work. I felt it was reasonable enough to assume someone fighting in favour of gankers was probably a ganker. It’s usually the case. Not really LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Roxana\_Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxana_dawn/32/419978_2.png) [@Roxana\_Dawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roxana_Dawn)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8694 "2022-09-10T11:05:40Z")
YOU ARE WRONG Then why the hell we have asteroids , why we have manufacturing? Why we have moons? why we have PI ? If the intention was for us to buy plex and buy ships with it to do PVP why we have all those resources in the first place? From your perspective PVE should not exist and it should not be a thing in the game at all ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8695 "2022-09-10T11:09:54Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/1/8/a18cc5555cbb964305be33c857a4e0813e47fb87.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8696 "2022-09-10T11:33:49Z")
I didnt realise mining without swearing was impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8697 "2022-09-10T11:55:18Z")
Mining in lowsec and nullsec has additional layers because of the risks and rewards of being in easy PVP space. By and large these are good things. - They make the mining experience more varied. - They reward less AFK style gameplay. - They make the mining performance more reflective of player skill and experience with setting up and defending their operation. - They regulate the mining economy, by limiting mining operations to what it is possible for the users to reasonably defend. - They make mining perform a very important part of the game’s PVP ecosystem - something generate fights over. Mining and industry are just parts of a greater whole - so advocating to split them from the other parts of the game even more than they already are in highsec is antithetical to the core gameplay principles of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8699 "2022-09-10T12:56:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s easier than highsec > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Pretty much all it adds is the need for some intel channels and scouts. I am confused. How is that “easier” than mining in HighSec? Don’t misunderstand me, but whenever I mine in HighSec, I just start the mining lasers on my Macks and then go watching Netflix, Youtube, Twitch or play a round of Warzone or whatever and when I check the EVE Clients every like 15 minutes they are full of Ice, which I then put into my Orca and repeat the Cycle. Sounds a lot easier to me than watching Intel Channels or having another Alt used as scout. And no, I am not being ganked all the time, it is a complete myth that you cannot mine in peace in HighSec, I did so just yesterday for like 5 hours basically afk while watching my favourite streamer and not a single ganker even showed up. Maybe the whole magic trick ist just not to be in Halaima. Btw, all of the above is reason enough for me to want Ice completely removed from HighSec or at least make it appear only in small scannable IceSigs. Its hilarious that this kind of “activity” even works and still generates ISK (quite a lot compared to the amount of clicks nessessary), the amounts of ISK generated by botfleets that do that all day long every day all around HighSec must be unimaginable. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8701 "2022-09-10T13:16:55Z")
I think all mining, PI and moon goo harvesting should be removed from high sec. Along with all level 3 and 4 missions and popping abyssal deadspace filaments of level rating 2 and greater. Ganking and all forms of pvp should also be removed from high sec as well. Decrease the risk, decrease the reward. Move all mining, moon harvesting, PI, higher level missions and filiments to low sec. That would encourage more play in low sec and reward players for taking the riskier move to acquire materials there. It would also encourage less afk grinding ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8702 "2022-09-10T13:27:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because you don’t have to watch local for specific groups or characters, you just bomb out when anything pings. The income is so good that even if you get caught and lose some ships you’re almost always in profit anyway. It’s classic yield tanking. So we are talking about it is a lot more “efficient”, but not “easier”. Easy is “undock → warp to belt → mine”. No intel tools, not scouts, no lists of people to watch for. You can do exactly that in HighSec, I do it all the time whenver I like to get some additional ISK while doing other stuff. One can even do a nice and healthy workout or clean up the house while mining in HighSec and just clear the MiningHold during the breaks. That you consider this “pointless” is funny somehow, because I just reprocessed a freighter load full of compressed Ice today, (9843 blocks) which got me roughly 1.3 billion ISK. All mined basically afk while doing other stuff. Not exactly what I would call “pointless”. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8703 "2022-09-10T13:30:41Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > highsec income has been repeatedly gutted and is already disporportionately low compared to sov null Thats not even remotely true from my experience. L4 blizing, BurnerMissions, T5/6 Abyssals generate absurd amounts of income and the chance of losing your ship is close to zero if you don’t pile up some major fuckups. Ah yea, and not to forget having 12 Macks mining Ice all day long in pretty much complete safety like some streamer did (and then complained if someone poked him for spitting on OPSEC). ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Raptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_raptor/32/247720_2.png) [@Shadow\_Raptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Raptor)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8705 "2022-09-10T13:38:10Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > trying to use suicide He wasn’t. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I disagree. You are. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The ISD should ban him. This is your answer for anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Like the Twitter Echo Chamber for Liberals. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > provoking an emotional response via repetitive attempts to misrepresent This is you in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8706 "2022-09-10T13:38:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I guarantee all it would ecourage is a mass exodus from the game I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Raptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_raptor/32/247720_2.png) [@Shadow\_Raptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Raptor)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8708 "2022-09-10T13:44:02Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’m convinced that CCP employees, GMs and ISD officials have forum alts that troll here. As I can’t discuss ✂ I can neither confirm nor deny this assertion. But I do know for a fact that ✂ has ✂ and ✂ is aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8709 "2022-09-10T13:56:57Z")
Great, thanks for sharing that. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8710 "2022-09-10T13:58:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, I think it’s easier. The risks in both are negligible but in nullsec the rocks last significantly longer and there’s less input needed. Which means you have clearly never mined Ice in Highsec. The Rocks last for like an hour per Mackinaw. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And how often do you have to swap targets? How often do your lasers run full cycle on mostly empty rock? Yeah thank you, you have clearly never mined Ice in Highsec, the Rocks last AN HOUR per Mackinaw. You don’t switch targets. You simply clear your MininHold every 15 minutes. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You can do the same in null. I think you really need to experience it to understand just how empty most of null is most of the time. Unfortunately you need to watch your Intel Channels and/or scout (you said that yourself!) because every little frig can tackle you and Filaments and Wormholes can make you get tackled in a few seconds. Not exactly the scenario I have in HighSec. Thats how miners get killed in 0.0 all the time. Not even couted that you would have to put your MiningChars into a goddamn 0.0 corp, paying rent or tax to someone you don’t like and follow the rules he makes. We were talking about “easy” gameplay, thats not easy compared to what I do. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Which is like what, 2 full uncontested highsec ice anoms? All for income that wouldn’t even plex a single account. You don’t get the point. You simply just don’t. It’s money earned basically afk. And especially for the noobs you claim to do your crusade for, its an enourmous amount of ISK. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think our definitions of “absurd amounts of income” differs. To put it in context at the peak of my trading I was paying about 90b a month just to plex my trading accounts alone. Yeah, and I pay 300b per week to SkillInject my new troll accs which then scam other people, all in HighSec. I think i just beat you here. Someone in the topic want to come up with even bigger numbers to bloat? Seriously, claiming personal trade profits being an indicator for how lucrative an area is compared to another is just outright stupid, because thats not repeatable for the average joe. And I bet all my Iskies that there is a HighSec trader somewhere that just laughs at your claimed numbers from 0.0 . -\_- ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Raptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_raptor/32/247720_2.png) [@Shadow\_Raptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Raptor)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8711 "2022-09-10T14:03:05Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > No, I asked you to calm down > [Why does telling someone to calm down make it worse?](https://www.parents.com/parenting/better-parenting/saying-calm-down-to-anyone-doesn-t-work-especially-your-kid/) The phrase “calm down” is **controlling, dismissive, and suggests a person’s feelings are invalid**. It can also exacerbate anxiety. Apr 21, 2020 We all know this so you can stop being coy. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8712 "2022-09-10T14:05:18Z")
Says who? Telling a child whose emotionally out of control to calm down, is effectively child abuse? I call bull ■■■■. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=402) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004.md?page=404)