# New Bounty Risk modifier is bad imo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671 "2021-09-25T08:22:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/21 "2021-09-26T11:20:32Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > It disincentivizes turtleing and encourages fights. Only if you have superiority in numbers > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > It hurts the incomes of botters. Not quite… bots will always adapt better than humans > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Many players are now making more money under the new system. Relatively true, I just think the DBS takes too much time to raise … > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Many players (including defenders) are saying that they are having fun with it. I myself had good fights, true. But considering you have only a small pocket under your reach you have a serious problem… so again it benefits big groups more than small ones, even taking into account your topic about the cap umbrella, witch a big group will have no problem moving around. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/22 "2021-09-26T12:16:40Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Not quite… bots will always adapt better than humans The bots don’t adapt, they just continue ratting 24/7 but now inject less ISK into the game. Perfect outcome! > [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Relatively true, I just think the DBS takes too much time to raise … Don’t try to ‘raise’ the bounty risk modifier. Go rat in the systems in which a naturally high DBS exists for better payout. (Yes, those are generally risky often-traveled busy areas) > [@safira\_jomita](#): > > I myself had good fights, true. But considering you have only a small pocket under your reach you have a serious problem… so again it benefits big groups more than small ones, even taking into account your topic about the cap umbrella, witch a big group will have no problem moving around. Maybe the game isn’t designed that people can have ‘only a small pocket’ and farm all the ISK they want in relative safety? What if CCP wants players to spread out more and take risks for better payout? That’s what the DBS is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/23 "2021-09-26T12:39:14Z")
A lot of boohoo 10m/minute isnt worth getting out of bed for, make it more. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/24 "2021-09-26T12:46:39Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The bots don’t adapt, they just continue ratting 24/7 but now inject less ISK into the game. Perfect outcome! Same as us.. so all ccp measures to " fight bots" harms more the players. Also ess and DBS where not meant to fight them anyway ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/25 "2021-09-26T16:03:40Z")
I don’t mind that the players who want to rat 24/7 in relative safety are injecting less ISK into the game as well. I think that’s actually a good thing. We need less ISK inflation. And if you want to get paid well for ratting, go take a little more risk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/26 "2021-09-26T16:34:00Z")
Id not bother, they have a historic track record of failing basic economics and supply & demand theory. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/27 "2021-09-26T16:51:48Z")
> [@Lieberfussel](#): > > it’s just make me to switch the system every 2-3 days No, it’s to make you MAN UP and kill the other people in system. Stop being a loser. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/28 "2021-09-26T19:11:25Z")
no, as no one shows up. there is no pvp, just a system full of blues. you need to switch systems all the time which is what sucks ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/29 "2021-09-26T19:12:09Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > there is no pvp, just a system full of blues. Here’s a thought: Kill the blues. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/30 "2021-09-26T19:12:38Z")
maybe in an alt in Uedama 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/31 "2021-09-26T19:40:03Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > no, as no one shows up. there is no pvp, just a system full of blues. > > you need to switch systems all the time which is what sucks Have you tried living in an area that does not have adjacent blue regions? Bounty payout is better in the more dangerous regions, where lots of fights happen. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/32 "2021-09-26T20:07:09Z")
well, i live where i live, i am no nomad. i dont want to be out 20j when corpmates want to leave for a roam ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/33 "2021-09-26T20:08:13Z")
Alts and Jumpclones are things ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/34 "2021-09-26T20:39:25Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > just a system full of blues. i mean… you could have fewer blues? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/35 "2021-09-27T01:18:18Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > don’t mind that the players who want to rat 24/7 in relative safety are injecting less ISK into the game as well. I think that’s actually a good thing. > > We need less ISK inflation. And if you want to get paid well for ratting, go take a little more risk. Brilliant. So then we need to nerf abyssals and incursion income too right? Also fw! if you agree to this then i agree with you. If not you just want to hit nullsec .. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/36 "2021-09-27T01:25:57Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You know, the way you put it you expect most people to suck up the lower ISK for consistency. > > And I think that’s perfectly fine! > > We don’t need more inflation of ISK. And if most people are willing to endlessly rat ‘to pay the bills’ in low bounty risk modifier systems, good for them Good, if isk inflation is the issue , then nerf incursions, abyssals( witch is 100%safe) , PI(100% safe) skill extractor farms (200%safe) and many more things that move trillions trough isk generation and has 0 risk. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/37 "2021-09-27T03:01:09Z")
Many of those options aren’t isk faucets meaning they don’t really affect inflation. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/38 "2021-09-27T03:28:46Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Brilliant. So then we need to nerf abyssals and incursion income too right? Also fw! if you agree to this then i agree with you. If not you just want to hit nullsec … yeah no, i mean i agree. honestly FW missions should just be removed. unless you also mean the plexes for that and in that case im confused. They don’t exactly pay all that well. However neither abyss o FW add much isk to the market so they don’t cause inflation to any real degree like null ratting. I have been all for nerfing incursions since they were added. they have done nothing but flood the market with isk ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/39 "2021-09-27T05:27:48Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Brilliant. So then we need to nerf abyssals and incursion income too right? Also fw! if you agree to this then i agree with you. If not you just want to hit nullsec … Agreed, hit incursions too. I don’t think that abyssals need a change as those are adding items to the game, not ISK. > [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Good, if isk inflation is the issue , then nerf incursions, abyssals( witch is 100%safe) , PI(100% safe) skill extractor farms (200%safe) and many more things that move trillions trough isk generation and has 0 risk. Same thing. Yes, nerf incursions. No, abyssals, PI and skill extractor farms aren’t adding ISK to the game. Payout for those activities in ISK value would therefore already stop going up when the ISK inflation stops (and that ISK inflation comes from activities that create ISK in the game, such as NPC bounties from ratting.) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671/40 "2021-09-27T06:11:12Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > nerf incursions, abyssals( witch is 100%safe) , PI(100% safe) skill extractor farms (200%safe) and many more things that move trillions trough isk generation and has 0 risk. Shame you are being sarcastic [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-bounty-risk-modifier-is-bad-imo/329671.md?page=3)