# New Dawn... on the graveyard **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921 "2021-11-15T05:02:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/21 "2021-11-15T09:28:26Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Age of Desperity has begun. Disparity? Desperation? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > RMT operators, mostly That explains it. I don’t believe regular players would act like this and most likely they’re somehow losing real money. I find it hilarious that they are so mad/disappointed as to stage this protest against game mechanics. Talk about entitled cry-babies. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/22 "2021-11-15T10:59:44Z")
Obligatory raven thread. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Osnix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_osnix/32/294936_2.png) [@Darth\_Osnix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Osnix)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/23 "2021-11-15T11:19:42Z")
No “old” miners no minerals/moon goo for your ships. New players won’t have fun doing mining when it’s no profitable so who then will mine/build ships? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/24 "2021-11-15T11:26:07Z")
> [@Darth\_Osnix](#): > > New players won’t have fun doing mining when it’s no profitable so who then will mine/build ships? If no one is doing it, then it **will** be profitable… ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/25 "2021-11-15T11:30:21Z")
This post is upsetting. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/26 "2021-11-15T11:37:26Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Darth\_Osnix](#): > > > > New players won’t have fun doing mining when it’s no profitable so who then will mine/build ships? > > If no one is doing it, then it **will** be profitable… These people…how do they even manage to put on their socks in the morning? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/27 "2021-11-15T11:41:12Z")
Hey, @Shipwreck_Jones, are @Gerard_Amatin (apologies that I dragged you into this) and I poisoning the morale of others if we dismantle almost every idea in this post as hideously bad for the game and point out how CCP Rattatata likes these ideas: > [@From Extraction to Production](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production/336331/1335): > > Hey CCP, please look into the following to add more quality of life changes : Allow the Rorqual to store combat ships in the ship maintenance bay like the Orca. I love bait mining , it’s a shame I can do it in the Orca and have my corp mates swap out from covetors into PvP ships, but not in the Rorqual. 2: Allow Rorquals to jump onto Industrial Cyno’s like the Jump Freighter. It IS an industrial ship after all. Allow Rorquals to “conduit jump” other industrial ships like the redeemer with… Is that what you call poisoning the morale of others by bitter vets? ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/28 "2021-11-15T12:14:01Z")
Whether you agree with that guys ideas or not, he was offering constructive feedback -which is something I encourage people to do. And no, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone and pointing out the flaws and/or what you don’t like about it. Moreover, I’m glad to see a reasonable discussion taking place. Honestly, I’m not even sure why you posted what you did. It’s like you’re trying to twist my message into me saying that players aren’t allowed to dislike things or disagree with one another or the devs -which is ridiculous, and most certainly not something that I said nor implied. But, welcome to arguing on the internet. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/0/c/c0c3b2319a8a6029469862d78f3823e1c9e299e5.jpeg "opinions on the internet") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/29 "2021-11-15T12:17:29Z")
I’m not sure they do. Not profitable enough. Too much effort. Cannot be done afk. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/30 "2021-11-15T12:25:32Z")
You pushed all people that disagree with the proposed changes into one category (in your poorly written post if that was not your intention) by saying that > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > I pray that all the bitter vets quit at around the same time. Then they won’t be around to poison the morale of others. Maybe you should not write things like that without being clear about what you actually mean with it. So far I only see you calling people who disagree with changes “poisoning the morale of others” and nowhere that you differentiate between incoherent rambling and constructive critics. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/31 "2021-11-15T12:45:33Z")
Okay, I have most certainly distinguished between bitter vet ranting and constructive feedback, just not in this thread. But, I don’t expect you to have read everything I’ve posted across every thread. It would be cool, however, if you’d give me the benefit of the doubt and assumed that I was trying to make a reasonable argument, and not an absurd one. But i dunno, I might be making the same mistake, because I was just about to hit reply to you in another thread, where I felt like you were making an absurd argument. 🙂 ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ![No P2W](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/e/c9e5bbcb978427c1d2c78ed0bf7e727425ef954f.png) You know what I just realized, you have, at the very least, seen my anti-P2W badge. So you should know that I will speak out against things I don’t like, and should have realized that I wasn’t trying to say that everyone who disagrees with a change is a bitter vet. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/32 "2021-11-15T12:49:39Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > CCP does not want people in their game that criticize their developments and just accept them without questioning and with much fanfare. Are you serious? Not only have they been asking for feedback, but they even created [another dev thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/singularity-update-new-mining-compression-changes-now-live/336382) to specifically ask for it. But, let’s just ignore that bit so that we can stay angry. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > The reason for that is that these people will also buy all of CCP’s macro transactions without care and only with joy in their minds from another quick, meaningless serotonine kick. That is what CCP wants and that is why experienced, old and critically thinking players need to go. First of all this is a conspiracy theory. Second, it doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, let’s get rid of paying customers because they don’t make enough micro transactions. Brilliant!!! Third, older and more experienced players are in the best position to chase new strats and opportunities because they have isk, SP, and player knowledge in abundance. I’m sure that it will drive away the sub demographic of bitter vets, who respond to change and adversity by whining and quiting, but it wouldn’t be a very effective way of driving away vets in general. And, quite frankly, I think the conspiracy theory that CCP creates adversity to drive plex sales makes more sense than this. ![No P2W](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/e/c9e5bbcb978427c1d2c78ed0bf7e727425ef954f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/33 "2021-11-15T13:04:25Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Third, older and more experienced players are in the best position to chase new strats and opportunities because they have isk, SP, and player knowledge in abundance. That doesn’t seem to be what CCP wants anymore. See the character limits in the new AEGIS exploration sites. As CCP Rattati said it, they want to decide what you can do because they decide how many people can enter a site just so that their “carefully crafted PVE experience” works. Interference or creative thought not welcome. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/qq8je5/new\_aegis\_capital\_ship\_security\_facility\_can\_be/hk2gfu7/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/qq8je5/new_aegis_capital_ship_security_facility_can_be/hk2gfu7/?context=3) > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Second, it doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, let’s get rid of paying customers because they don’t make enough micro transactions. Brilliant!!! Rattati spoke his mind about this a while ago. to him it’s fine if certain people leave who don’t agree or like the changes that he and his team throw at EVE. You can call this conspiracy theory, but if the devs even outright say that they don’t care if certain difficult demographics are driven away, it’s not just plain conspiracy hogwash. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/34 "2021-11-15T13:05:30Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Are you serious? Not only have they been asking for feedback, but they even created [another dev thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/singularity-update-new-mining-compression-changes-now-live/336382) to specifically ask for it. But, let’s just ignore that bit so that we can stay angry. Yeah… i remember, when they add skilling spree event, literally everyone asked them about total of SP over event, is it random for each person or same for all. And not a single respone from CCP, not a word. So every thread they creater for “feedback” is just a dump for players opinion. Nobody cares. Until it strart burning. ---
**Author:** ![xavier69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xavier69/32/497798_2.png) [@xavier69](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xavier69)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/35 "2021-11-15T19:29:09Z")
This game died in 2018 its just a walking corpse that’s being propped up by PA money once that 425m evaporates bye bye… Anyone who argues the login numbers FTP fool half of those people don’t pay. [Eve Online maker CCP Games sells to Black Desert Online's Pearl Abyss for $425 million | VentureBeat](https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/06/black-desert-online-creator-pearl-abyss-acquires-eve-online-maker-ccp-games-for-425-million/) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/36 "2021-11-15T22:58:04Z")
100% agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/37 "2021-11-15T23:06:15Z")
At least the title to the thread is catchy. As for mining and mining topic ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/9/5/295eceb4962ca8af4ba0282e954a02d65e68ccf6.gif "Tired D&D GIF by Hyper RPG - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milint_arc_trooper/32/475857_2.png) [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MILINT_ARC_Trooper)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/38 "2021-11-15T23:52:32Z")
I came in at the end of the Invasion…it was smack smack smack smack smack, Shin Kick [Hunters Boon]., smack smack smack. And now tentative curb stomp. Sigh, I started with Exploration/Mining because I understood these two items synergize in game. But, nope CCP seems dead set on destroying everything that players want to test out. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/39 "2021-11-16T01:11:48Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > once that 425m evaporates bye bye um…that was what PA paid for ccp,not some kind of operations budget pool ccp is working from… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921/40 "2021-11-16T01:33:36Z")
Yeah, I basically agree, but I think it’s more than just CCP wanting to destroy the stuff that players want to test out. It’s more like CCP wants to destroy the players option of choosing what they want to do… In other words, CCP wants players to only do what CCP wants them to do… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-dawn-on-the-graveyard/336921.md?page=3)