# :facepalm: New Eden Capsuleers Writing Contest - Plagiariser Report **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Fiction\ **Created:** [June 16, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451 "2021-06-16T10:57:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/44 "2021-06-16T15:55:13Z")
Well explained DeMichael. Know that I stand by you and all the others true of heart that entered their originals. ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/45 "2021-06-16T16:03:09Z")
As someone who entered with an original work in the news category, I think you’re too up on yourself. And while I respect DMC to some extent, as he is generally at least succinct, you’ve been antagonistic and self-righteously demanding beyond the point of reasonability. I do not stand with you, nor DMC, as I respect the contest organizer and judges even if I have my own thoughts on certain choices made. They dealt with the issue, and you continuing this is little more than pretentious dramallamaing ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/46 "2021-06-16T16:07:04Z")
Yet more role play community reinforcements ---
**Author:** ![Evi\_Polevhia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evi_polevhia/32/501296_2.png) [@Evi\_Polevhia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evi_Polevhia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/47 "2021-06-16T16:09:14Z")
> [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > roll role 5chars ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/48 "2021-06-16T16:09:48Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Just exactly how big is that iceberg and how long has it been there are the real questions. My opinion: gammatude supping on angst drama for private consumption. The real question is can you do better? If so, why aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Evi\_Polevhia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evi_polevhia/32/501296_2.png) [@Evi\_Polevhia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evi_Polevhia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/49 "2021-06-16T16:10:30Z")
Also you’re taking a thing people are doing for fun volunteering in a game way too serious, my dude. Next you’ll be out measuring my grass and making sure it’s up to HoA Code lengths. ---
**Author:** ![Maira\_Blackfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maira_blackfire/32/394201_2.png) [@Maira\_Blackfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maira_Blackfire)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/50 "2021-06-16T16:22:42Z")
Oh no Roleplayers in the roleplayer part of the forum, how dreadful a world we live in ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/51 "2021-06-16T17:02:54Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > in general it can’t be proved as a true factual statement As a judge in a previous year, it’s correct: judges are not allowed to submit works (or more accurately, submitters cannot be judges) and judges receive no compensation. If you’d like proof, there’s the announcement threads every year that lay out the ‘you can’t submit and judge’. Beyond that… there’s just as much proof that _you_ aren’t being paid by Magni there to post in this thread. I don’t think you _are_, but in general it can’t be proved as a true factual statement. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/52 "2021-06-16T18:03:16Z")
Like I said, that all looks good in writing… Nobody can 100% guarantee that those rules are being followed… Nobody can 100% guarantee that fair and impartial judging is being done… Nobody can 100% guarantee there is no pay-off kick-back happening, etc, etc… > [@Arrendis](#): > > Beyond that… there’s just as much proof that _you_ aren’t being paid by Magni there to post in this thread. I don’t think you _are_, but in general it can’t be proved as a true factual statement. Guess I can say the same about you, how do I or anybody else know that you’re not here at the request of Lasairiona Raske, or more importantly, that you’re not her alt. Now believe me, I don’t think that’s the case. I’m more inclined to think that due to our past forum interactions, your reply to me is based more on dislike. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/54 "2021-06-16T18:36:09Z")
> [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > And while I respect DMC to some extent, as he is generally at least succinct… Since I don’t know you or remember us ever having any previous interactions in these forums, I’ll just say thank you. EDIT: Also don’t take that as me thinking that you’re standing with me or agreeing with my statements in this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarisse_aspenstar/32/478487_2.png) [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunarisse_Aspenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/55 "2021-06-16T18:42:58Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The OP isn’t making a mountain out of a molehill, what the OP has done is uncover the tip of an iceberg. Just exactly how big is that iceberg and how long has it been there are the real questions. While i really appreciated the donations this year and last year, over 1/3 of the prize pools were still paid out of my pocket (roughly 13 and half billion isk this year). In many past years close to all or 80 percent was. I try to run this event, at a pretty significant isk expense and time commitment, to try do something fun for the community and encourage people to create lore. I appreciate constructive criticism and comments (it was one of yours in a past year in fact that resulted in the label suggestion for writing contest posts), but we’re sort of past that at this point. I don’t tend to be a mean or harsh person, oocly, and i felt forfeiting her award and giving the isk prizes to the others below her was enough of a penalty for what was supposed to be a fun event. I suppose one can disagree but weaving conspiracies on top of it.. well… i guess I kind of am debating whether to spend my time and isk on this next year at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/56 "2021-06-16T18:57:28Z")
If you _ever_ have any ISK issues in regards to these things, just raise a hand and there’ll be no shortage of us who’ll make it rain plex for the cause. As others have said elsewhere, it’s often the case that these few loud drama makers sour the experience as the event closes, but in a few months that’ll fade and the reasons why you do it rise to the top again and the memories will be of the good parts. Offloading some of the work on other volunteers is also always an option. We’ve had both cordial engagement and locked horns at times, but in the end just know that your efforts, work and donation to this kind of thing is greatly appreciated even by those who don’t even play at this point. They reach further than the participants, the commenters and actives. Since it’s probably not said anywhere near as much as it should, let me counter-point this drama with this: Thank you very much for everything you’ve done for the community with these events and more. It’s appreciated and worthy of gratitude. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/57 "2021-06-16T19:18:30Z")
We haven’t interacted much I think Lunarisse, but I echo Miz: You’ve done more for this game’s community than many others can say. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/58 "2021-06-16T19:45:38Z")
> [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > I try to run this event, at a pretty significant isk expense and time commitment, to try do something fun for the community and encourage people to create lore. I appreciate constructive criticism and comments… And in the past I’ve publicly thanked you and complemented you for doing that. In fact I still respect the idea behind the contest. However I think the judging aspect of it can be improved… > [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > I don’t tend to be a mean or harsh person, oocly, and i felt forfeiting her award and giving the isk prizes to the others below her was enough of a penalty You’re the event host and it’s your decision on what actions should be taken. Personally I would have also disqualified her from ever entering again in the future. > [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > I suppose one can disagree but weaving conspiracies on top of it… well… I wasn’t trying to weave a conspiracy, I stated my opinion here to one of the judges who I’ve had previous forum interactions with that resulted in ill-will. Ironically that judge just happened to be the one who read and posted on my story immediately after it was submitted. > [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > i guess I kind of am debating whether to spend my time and isk on this next year at this point. Like I said earlier, I still respect the idea behind the contest and it was not my intention to discourage you from hosting this contest again. I just think the judging aspect and prize distribution could be improved. Anyway, I’m done with this topic. Too much bad-blood has been spilled over it. I sincerely hope this experience will help you improve future contests if you choose to continue hosting them. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/60 "2021-06-16T21:22:47Z")
The world of difference was all in the decision to let the plagiarised piece keep its rank as third place winner despite the report of foul play, despite forfeit of isk prize, despite all this. All for the want of a horse shoe nail. Anyone trying to cover up that simple outrageous bias afforded by role players to their role play friend is part of why we can’t have nice things. They knowingly let a fake win. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/62 "2021-06-16T21:31:10Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I’m more inclined to think that due to our past forum interactions, your reply to me is based more on dislike. Naaaaaah. That would’ve been the part I didn’t send, where I pointed out the random capitalization of words. 😉 Besides, I don’t dislike you. We’ve had spirited exchanges, but overall, I know you post things you sincerely believe, even when we disagree, and I’m reasonably sure you know the same of me. So I figured I’d at least present a voice removed from the current brouhaha. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/63 "2021-06-17T01:58:12Z")
I think the correct answer is to allow me to judge in the future. BTW, this new guy called Solonius T-rex is joining the next contest. Never heard of him before but he seems like a nice guy, he might win. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/64 "2021-06-17T02:05:53Z")
> [@Lasairiona\_Raske](#): > > I don’t think that means what you think that means. So far, the only person who seems to be making it into a massive outcry is… you. As someone who doesnt have any skin in the game and couldnt really care less about this topic, I do agree that it does seem shady as F not to remove someone from the rankings once youve found out they plagiarized. Speaking from an academic background, id be in trouble, really really big trouble, if any of the stuff i wrote were found out to be plagiarized. People get kicked out of uni for that sort of stuff. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I just need to remember that Eve is the game of alts. Are you my Alt? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/65 "2021-06-17T02:57:08Z")
This is no different than the 2021 Kentucky Derby. Medina Spirit won the race. However, the horse tested positive for betamethasone after the race. The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, which will make the final decision if the horse will be disqualified, as of 7 June 2021 has not yet indicated when a ruling will be made. If Medina Spirit is disqualified, [Mandaloun]will be named the winner. So for the plagiarizer to stay, is rather fishy. If anything an Asterisk should be placed beside their name, But placed off to the side, and let the others move up respectively. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451/66 "2021-06-17T07:13:16Z")
Morpheus: What happened, happened and could not have happened any other way. CCP presents us with some pretty gnarly lore issues from time to time. Eventually we collectively get our heads around it adapt and overcome and the wold tree becomes that much more beautiful for that knot in the grain. If people want to apply academic standards to a role-playing game they can and probably should - in character. I had a post removed from the thread by ISD also, It was for the same reason you did - I broke character. Mistakes happen. We can grow around them and make something fantastic. Option: The issue you have highlighted could be played beautifully for years to come Dark if you have the chops to channel it. Option B: Or, it could sit out here in the cold OOC where it feels a little more personal, exposed and all too real but fundamentally is a farce. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-capsuleers-writing-contest-plagiariser-report/316451.md?page=4)