# New Eden Industry Strike! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 3, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636 "2020-09-03T11:18:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/102 "2020-09-03T22:59:03Z")
My toon is but a couple of weeks old 🙂 Imagine in three months, lol ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/103 "2020-09-03T23:01:00Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Sure, but like, were these ON the market, and gonna be taken off the market a la this “strike” thing you’re all talking about? > > or like, is it just the stuff you’ve got lying around in you hangars that you never even inten… It’s stuff I wanted to sell as of yesterday. Now, I’ll hold on to it for months. Hell, I may just use it myself at the rate at which I’ll get blown up. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/104 "2020-09-03T23:04:09Z")
> [@Gregory\_Suliker](#): > > Starting after downtime on Sept 8th and for 1 week: > > 1. Don’t bring your stuff to market for one week. > 2. Don’t trade via contracts or personal exchanges locally/in-station. Sure, they may be your pals, but they are the ones CCP listens to. > 3. For even better effect, terminate your outstanding sales orders. You can buy meanwhile whatever you want. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Now, I’ll hold on to it for months. I mean… OP just wants you to strike for one week. But more power to you, I guess? Also, are both you and @Foggy_Bernstein actually “industrialists”? i’m getting the feeling it’s just “highsec players who’ve collected a bunch of random junk”. not getting the “industrialist” feel from either. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/105 "2020-09-03T23:05:37Z")
Careful, bro. You’ll throw out your back shifting those goalposts every second post. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/106 "2020-09-03T23:06:26Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Also, are both you and @Foggy_Bernstein actually “industrialists”? Yes. I also have three planetary extraction operations going because I’m buying a structure. But I’m not putting it in space now as per strike directive. I’ll wait to see what surprise CCP has for their so-called invasion. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > i’m getting the feeling it’s just “highsec players who’ve collected a bunch of random junk” Those players are welcome to strike too, and why not ? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/107 "2020-09-03T23:07:18Z")
good luck with the strike then, lol > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Those players are welcome to strike too, and why not ? I’ve already said it. If they don’t currently have stuff listed on the market, then it doesn’t matter because their participation will have zero impact. If i have 5b worth of stuff that i just collected, but never listed on the market, that’s not actually participating the strikes “don’t sell anything on the market” idea. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/108 "2020-09-03T23:08:16Z")
Thanks o7 Whether it works or not isn’t my problem. I want more player-created content and this strike excites me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/109 "2020-09-03T23:12:33Z")
> [@Rich\_Darine](#): > > HOLY ■■■■ Don’t get too impressed. A hundred or two billion acquired over something like 12 years isn’t _that_ much. If you get to the point where you do tier 5 abyssal sites, class 5+ wormholes, or rat with a carrier, you could be pulling a few billion every day. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Thanks o7 > Whether it works or not isn’t my problem. I want more player-created content and this strike excites me 🙂 Sure, but do you have a horse in the race? I don’t think you have a claim to the “oppression” that the OP cites. Interesting content is nice, but supporting something without understanding the implications could mean that someone is able to use and exploit you for their own gain. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/110 "2020-09-03T23:16:56Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Don’t get too impressed. Don’t get too jelly. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/111 "2020-09-03T23:17:23Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sure, but do you have a horse in the race? I don’t think you have a claim to the “oppression” that the OP cites. Interesting content is nice, but supporting something without understanding the implications could mean that someone is able to use and exploit you for their own gain. I don’t mind helping out if it excites me. I don’t have a horse in MOST races but that doesn’t mean I can’t participate in something that interests me. As for being manipulated: We’re ALL manipulated to some degree so I don’t mind a little more or less, I won’t die satisfied anyway. What I really want to see is EVE market crash. I know I may never see that but it’s an exciting idea nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/112 "2020-09-03T23:19:00Z")
> [@Gregory\_Suliker](#): > > it is your choice - stay silent, ignore it and be treated like this forever. Or take finally some action and change how you are perceived, and influence rules in your favor! Just walk away. The last several updates have been garbage for small players. It is clear CCP does not want this play style to succeed. CCP would much prefer you to be a null sec F1 monkey. Walk away and spend your time and money on a game that actually wants your play style. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/113 "2020-09-03T23:22:04Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > Walk away and spend your time and money on a game that actually wants your play style. OR… Stay in the game and give them a hard time every chance you get 🙂 This strike is also a form of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/114 "2020-09-03T23:23:07Z")
Slightly offtopic I miss the old days when planting a structure meant investing in standings, or paying someone like me to leverage theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/115 "2020-09-03T23:24:15Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Don’t get too impressed. > > Don’t get too jelly. I am sitting on a few trillion worth of assets, and really, considering how sustainable my PvP is, I don’t even need 2% of that. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I don’t mind helping out if it excites me. I don’t have a horse in MOST races but that doesn’t mean I can’t participate in something that interests me. > As for being manipulated: We’re ALL manipulated to some degree so I don’t mind a little more or less, I won’t die satisfied anyway. > What I really want to see is EVE market crash. I know I may never see that but it’s an exciting idea nonetheless. The thing is, the issues that the OP talks about don’t actually exist. I made a big post up there in which I questioned the mechanics of his proposal, but I still haven’t _truly_ addressed its _validity_, aside from a few passing comments. Industrialists don’t _need_ a strike, because they already have all the tools that they need to be successful and effective. The reason why the OP is calling for a strike is because of a feeling of entitlement to not be obligated to use those tools, and to instead ask for CCP to casually change the rules of the game so that risk is mitigated on his behalf by hard-coded gameplay mechanics. And the market won’t crash because of this strike, if it happens. There’s just too much greed for that to happen. Carebears don’t _actually_ care about anyone else aside from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/116 "2020-09-03T23:32:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The thing is, the issues that the OP talks about don’t actually exist. I made a big post up there in which I questioned the mechanics of his proposal, but I still haven’t _truly_ addressed its _validity_ , aside from a few passing comments. I read it… It’s a good post ! You took a lot of afforts to explain your position. But you know, when someone has things he deems are proof of his persecution, it’s very hard to convince him otherwise. Nice try tho, really. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The reason why the OP is calling for a strike is because of a feeling of entitlement to not be obligated to use those tools, and to instead ask for CCP to casually change the rules of the game so that risk is mitigated on his behalf by hard-coded gameplay mechanics. Yea, but isn’t that what CCP has been doing for nullseccers, tho? They whine and CCP listens. Why? Because the nullseccers arguments happen to fit CCP’s plan for EVE. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And the market won’t crash because of this strike, if it happens. There’s just too much greed for that to happen. OH I know… Can’t get no satisfaction, lol. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Carebears don’t _actually_ care about anyone else aside from themselves. Selfishness is rampant e.ve.ry.where. Self-entitlement will be our doom. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/117 "2020-09-03T23:34:31Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Selfishness is rampant e.ve.ry.where. Self-entitlement will be our doom. r/selfawarewolves so close ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/118 "2020-09-03T23:37:46Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I read it… It’s a good post ! You took a lot of afforts to explain your position. But you know, when someone has things he deems are proof of his persecution, it’s very hard to convince him otherwise. Nice try tho, really. Which is why you shouldn’t support it by default. Think about the circumstances of the proposal, and whether or not you agree with its intended outcome. Do you support eliminating avenues and possibilities for nonconsensual PvP? If you _don’t_, then you definitely _don’t_ want to support this strike _on principle_. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Yea, but isn’t that what CCP has been doing for nullseccers, tho? They whine and CCP listens. Why? Because the nullseccers arguments happen to fit CCP’s plan for EVE. I don’t see null-seccers complain about things the same way high-sec carebears do. When was the last time you saw a big null-sec whine thread? I haven’t seen one here in a long time. The issue with null-sec is that they have inside connections to CCP via the CSM. That’s a different issue. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/119 "2020-09-03T23:54:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Which is why you shouldn’t support it by default. Think about the circumstances of the proposal, and whether or not you agree with its intended outcome. I understand the intended outcome to make it too expensive for PvPers to attack miners willy-nilly. If the outcome is favorable, it’ll mean they’ll have to carefully consider attacking while knowing it’ll take longer to replace their stuff blown up by CONCORD and will be more expensive. Again, I don’t really care which side CCP kneels to. I like the idea of this strike, if only to see what happens. More than likely it won’t have any effect, but we’ll see how things develop. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Do you support eliminating avenues and possibilities for nonconsensual PvP? If you _don’t_ , then you definitely _don’t_ want to support this strike _on principle_ . I don’t support eliminating avenues and possibilities for non-consensual PvP, I love the idea that someone can just jump on me, hold me down and lets me have it good and proper and I love the idea that I also can do it but, you see, as far as EVE is concerned I have NO principle. Anything goes as far as I’m concerned and I’ve been playing with that concept in mind. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The issue with null-sec is that they have inside connections to CCP via the CSM. That’s a different issue. It may be a different issue but that fact alone shows favoritism and bias and that’s not a way to run an MMO, especially one that boasts to be Sandbox. And the fact that we don’t see nullseccers whine in here proves that they’re being listened to. All the hiseccers want is to be treated the same. Myself, I don’t care. I’ll play as long as I can pay for it. Hisec, lowsec, nullsec… don’t make a difference to me. It’s ALL EVE and it gets pretty exciting sometimes! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/120 "2020-09-03T23:56:04Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I understand the intended outcome to make it too expensive for PvPers to attack miners willy-nilly. I’ve yet to see anything that supports such an outcome will even occur. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636/121 "2020-09-03T23:57:45Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > I’ve yet to see anything that supports such an outcome will even occur. You need to read ALL the post. Not just the part that you can reply to to make it look like you’re smarter 🙂 > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > More than likely it won’t have any effect, but we’ll see how things develop. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-industry-strike/264636.md?page=7)