# New Eden systems security rating **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626 "2021-06-17T18:33:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/81 "2021-06-18T00:16:41Z")
Not at all. I’m not editing anything. This thread isn’t about ganking and those who can’t believe it can eat my shorts. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/82 "2021-06-18T00:17:46Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > You sure do mention ganking and Concord a lot for a thread this is supposedly NOT about ganking… I’m sorry to have mentioned CONCORD so much. If you now think the thread is about ganking then I guess it’s my fault. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/83 "2021-06-18T00:22:30Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > You sure do mention ganking and Concord a lot for a thread this is supposedly NOT about ganking… But it’s about EVE, it’s about security rating, security rating involves CONCORD not just for ganking but for any type of combat in hisec, for any activity like mining and miners watch for who? Gankers right? A discussion about one thing can bleed into another but it doesn’t mean it is about that other thing. DING DING DING did the coin drop yet? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/84 "2021-06-18T00:24:26Z")
Re-read the OP. Ganking is the ONLY thing he mentioned. He didn’t mention mining, ratting, missions, etc… Just ganking, and only three lines into it… ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/85 "2021-06-18T00:25:58Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > DING DING DING did the coin drop yet? LMAO! I think it’s too complicated for them. I shouldn’t have started a thread about sec rating. I should have started a thread about playing marbles or toy cars or Ken&Barbie, that would’ve been more on their level. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/86 "2021-06-18T00:29:31Z")
> [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > LMAO! > I think it’s too complicated for them. I shouldn’t have started a thread about sec rating. I should have started a thread about playing marbles or toy cars or Ken&Barbie, that would’ve been more on their level. ![4855762](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/8/9/b89cc6ebc5b9d1c6cc8385be472d0277b8952651.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/87 "2021-06-18T00:32:25Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Re-read the OP. Ganking is the ONLY thing he mentioned Really? Let’s see… > [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > CCP should rid New Eden of the systems security rating. It only causes confusion ( is that what CCP hoped to accomplish with the systems sec rating? Confuse its players? ) and serves no purpose _whatsoever_ since **ALL** systems can be ganking fields and players can attack other players **anywhere** in EVE so why the security rating?? > Seriously, can anyone tell me why New Eden has a security rating for each system while at the same time _not_ being a security rating? > Thank you. Well I Re-read it twice and the SECURITY RATING is the subject of the paragraph. He mentions ganking in passing, not even the subject of a sentence but as an example. Let’s go further on… > [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > PS: This thread is NOT about ganking OH! What have we there?! A clear mention that the thread isn’t about ganking! OH WOW yes I see what you mean now. It was Professor Plum, in the living room with the chandelier! You win, lol ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/88 "2021-06-18T00:34:40Z")
It’s worked just fine for 18 years, snowflake. You’ll live… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/89 "2021-06-18T00:35:38Z")
Kind of like the players that post “Gankers are killing EVE!!!” Ganking has been a thing since day 1, yet here EVE still stands 18 years later… ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/90 "2021-06-18T00:36:27Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > It’s worked just fine for 18 years, snowflake. You’ll live… It’s not about me, idiot. It’s about a discussion on Security Rating. Repeat after me: Se-cu-ri-ty Ra-ting. _very good!_ ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/91 "2021-06-18T00:38:47Z")
A star system’s **Security Level** is a rough measure of how hazardous that particular system is. Empire space is the name given to the regions which the four main NPC factions hold sovereignty (High Security and Low Security). They do not hold ANY sovereignty in Null Sec, which is why there is no laws in place in null. Various game mechanics are affected or limited by system security. These include: - [Asteroid](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Asteroid) types found in asteroid belts. More lucrative asteroids are generally found in lower-security systems. - General difficulty of [rat](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rat) spawns, including belt and gate rats. More difficult rats are generally found in lower-security systems. - General difficulty of [cosmic anomalies](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_Anomalies) and [cosmic signatures](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_signatures). More difficult sites are generally found in lower-security systems. - Reward level of [missions](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions). Greater LP rewards for the same mission are given by agents in lower-security systems. - Specific types of [wormholes](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormholes) will only form in specific classes of space. - In 0.5 space and below the moons can be mined with [refineries](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Upwell_structures#Refineries). ### High security space - [CONCORD](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CONCORD) destroys any criminal player. - [NPC](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#NPC) navies will chase players with very low [faction standing](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_standings#Faction_standings). - Player with a a sufficiently low security status (below -2.0) may be [attacked by NPC faction navy ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security_Status_Details#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions). - True [capital ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Capital_Ship) (i.e. ships that specifically require the [Capital Ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Skills:Spaceship_Command#Capital_Ships) skill) may not enter high security space. - [Cynosural fields](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Jump_drives#Cynosural_Fields) cannot create beacons for jump drives. ### Low security space - [CONCORD](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CONCORD) no longer responds, however [NPC](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#NPC) guns on gates and stations will respond to illegal aggression. - [Player-Owned Starbases](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Player-Owned_Starbases) do not require Empire Charters to operate. ### Null security space - [PVP](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#PVP) aggression does not change player security status. - Items flagged with the Banned in Empire Space attribute can now be used, including launching [bombs](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bombs), anchoring [bubbles](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#Warp_bubble), and firing doomsdays. - Sentry guns do not take any actions towards players who aggress other players. These are several reasons WHY the sec status is NOT obsolete ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/92 "2021-06-18T00:45:15Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Ganking has been a thing since day 1 Well, it was called griefing back then. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/93 "2021-06-18T00:45:30Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > Repeat after me: > Se-cu-ri-ty Ra-ting. _very good!_ 🤣 That is the proof that people will hear and read the things they only want to hear and understand. No matter what you say or say or do, these idiots will still believe this thread is about ganking and you know why? Because they can’t wait to belittle another person, they can’t wait to ridicule and harass forum members that really want a discussion about what they find silly or idiotic in the game. These people are just on this forum to insult, insinuate false crap about people and all that in the goal to make themselves feel better about themselves and ganking is the perfect subject for that since it has conotations of frustration and salt. It’s no wonder the members of CCP don’t want to engage with these people. If I worked for CCP I wouldn’t even open the forum main page. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/94 "2021-06-18T00:51:12Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Various game mechanics are affected or limited by system security. These include: > > - [Asteroid](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Asteroid) types found in asteroid belts. More lucrative asteroids are generally found in lower-security systems. > - General difficulty of [rat](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rat) spawns, including belt and gate rats. More difficult rats are generally found in lower-security systems. > - General difficulty of [cosmic anomalies](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_Anomalies) and [cosmic signatures](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_signatures). More difficult sites are generally found in lower-security systems. > - Reward level of [missions](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions). Greater LP rewards for the same mission are given by agents in lower-security systems. > - Specific types of [wormholes](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormholes) will only form in specific classes of space. > - In 0.5 space and below the moons can be mined with [refineries](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Upwell_structures#Refineries). > > ### High security space > > - [CONCORD](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CONCORD) destroys any criminal player. > - [NPC](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#NPC) navies will chase players with very low [faction standing](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_standings#Faction_standings). > - Player with a a sufficiently low security status (below -2.0) may be [attacked by NPC faction navy ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security_Status_Details#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions). > - True [capital ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Capital_Ship) (i.e. ships that specifically require the [Capital Ships](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Skills:Spaceship_Command#Capital_Ships) skill) may not enter high security space. > - [Cynosural fields](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Jump_drives#Cynosural_Fields) cannot create beacons for jump drives. > > ### Low security space > > - [CONCORD](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CONCORD) no longer responds, however [NPC](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#NPC) guns on gates and stations will respond to illegal aggression. > - [Player-Owned Starbases](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Player-Owned_Starbases) do not require Empire Charters to operate. > > ### Null security space > > - [PVP](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#PVP) aggression does not change player security status. > - Items flagged with the Banned in Empire Space attribute can now be used, including launching [bombs](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bombs), anchoring [bubbles](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Lexicon#Warp_bubble), and firing doomsdays. > - Sentry guns do not take any actions towards players who aggress other players. Yes but ALL that can still be and happen without the security rating. Those numbers aren’t responsible for all of what you mentioned, it’s CCP who decides what is supposed to be where, not the rating _itself_ > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > These are several reasons WHY the sec status is NOT obsolete And those reasons _can_ live without those stupid numbers since it’s CCP who decides, not the numbers. That’s why the sec rating is obsolete and useless. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/95 "2021-06-18T00:52:57Z")
IT’S YOUR ■■■■■■■ OPINION… if it was obsolete, CCP would get rid of it… but it’s still here after 18 ■■■■■■■ years so it still must be viable… ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/96 "2021-06-18T00:54:46Z")
> [@Natalie\_Patrovita](#): > > It’s no wonder the members of CCP don’t want to engage with these people. If I worked for CCP I wouldn’t even open the forum main page. I can understand why 99% of CCP employees don’t even come on their employer’s forum. Just reading the responses to any thread would make your eyes roll back into their socket and bleed profusely. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/97 "2021-06-18T00:55:43Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > IT’S YOUR ■■■■■■■ OPINION Calm down, miner. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/98 "2021-06-18T00:58:05Z")
> [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > Yes but ALL that can still be and happen without the security rating. Those numbers aren’t responsible for all of what you mentioned, it’s CCP who decides what is supposed to be where, not the rating _itself_ > [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > And those reasons _can_ live without those stupid numbers since it’s CCP who decides, not the numbers. That’s why the sec rating is obsolete and useless. Damn your logic is undeniable. Maybe that’s why they’re pissed. They can’t counter your flawless logic. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/99 "2021-06-18T00:59:31Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Ganking has been a thing since day 1 > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Well, it was called griefing back then. 🤣 Well, that shoots that reply out of the water. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626/100 "2021-06-18T01:03:54Z")
Griefers were worse, there was no concord back then. If I thought I could alpha you while just traveling by you and bored because of the long trip… It was not good to be in the wrong place, wrong time back then anyway. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-systems-security-rating/316626.md?page=6)