# New Era for EVE, death of P2W and Rebirth of Skill **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2023, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258 "2023-01-26T09:30:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/41 "2023-01-31T14:20:20Z")
You miss the bit where the PLEX that the P2W person buys is the _same_ PLEX that the grinder uses to PLEX their account with and get Eve ‘free’. It is a win-win scenario…not one where one is a winner and the other a loser. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/42 "2023-01-31T17:31:22Z")
> [@Daretqua](#): > > If you take 2 twins, with the same personal skills. The start and play the game the same time. > One of them is rich and buys a lot of thing (PLEX, Skill boosters, ships, …) > They will meet one day a fight. Who do you think will win? That’s the thing. You can’t assume the “rich” person would win. This tells me you got 0 EVE experience LOL. Why look at our resident uber “rich” day trader who took a bad fight in a blinged out cruiser and got ROFLstomped. Why didn’t he automatically win? He’s rich. Had all the bling. Yet he died screaming in space and it hurt him so much he cried nerf on the forums. > [@Daretqua](#): > > Pay to Win doesn’t guarantee you a win, but your chances are much better. Cept in EVE. All it does is save you time. I’d even argue if you’re a brand new player, buying that time may actually work against you. Because, like you, they believe it buys them an advantage. It doesn’t. What it does instead is give them a false sense of superiority. Then that stupidity leads them to die screaming in space, then usually cry nerf on whatever killed him them because they don’t understand game mechanics. > [@Daretqua](#): > > Sorry but Eve is totally P2W, it combines subscription and P2W Elements, which is not good. I hope they will not introduce loot-boxes. LOL. Again, ya’ll do not know what P2W actually means. Google COD kthx. ---
**Author:** ![Daretqua](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daretqua/32/443180_2.png) [@Daretqua](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daretqua)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/43 "2023-02-01T06:37:43Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > What it does instead is give them a false sense of superiority. Then that stupidity leads them to die screaming in space, then usually cry nerf on whatever killed him them because they don’t understand game mechanics. Yes I agree, but your chances are still better wen you buy better equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/44 "2023-02-01T06:39:01Z")
> [@Daretqua](#): > > Yes I agree, but your chances are still better wen you buy better equipment. Not really. Hence why Vert ole buddy died screaming in space despite his ship being worth much more than the ships who killed him. Hence why so many marauders die screaming in space despite officer mods. You truly do not know how to EVE and it shows 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/45 "2023-02-01T06:58:06Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > die screaming in space au contraire! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/e/a/2ea9da3c5d76b44a0a5b56519d7dda4e1e9a9201.jpeg "S P O C K "In Space No One Can Hear You scream"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPG3o2avGh0) ---
**Author:** ![Daretqua](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daretqua/32/443180_2.png) [@Daretqua](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daretqua)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/46 "2023-02-01T07:09:47Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > Again, ya’ll do not know what P2W actually means. Google COD kthx. Please try to have open mind. I don’t say plex is entirely wrong, but it is not fair if someone pays subscription and there are still people who can be more successful only because of more money. On the other side, this game is kind of special, where I don’t see p2w (plex) as pure evil. It would really be to grind if you want to be Master of universe / Princess of known space. It depends what devs and player base want from this game. Just quick search to p2w topic > **[What Is "Pay-to-Win" in Video Games?](https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is-pay-to-win-in-video-games/)** > > What does "pay-to-win" mean in a game? We examine the term and consider examples to help you understand. It’s not black and white. For you it is not p2w, for me it is p2w. It’s OK, if you are ok with it. > Blockquote > What Does Pay-to-Win Mean? > In the simplest terms, “pay-to-win” describes a game where paying real money gives players a significant advantage over those who don’t spend any money. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/47 "2023-02-01T08:01:34Z")
> [@Daretqua](#): > > On the other side, this game is kind of special, where I don’t see p2w (plex) as pure evil. I do have an open mind. EVE isn’t pay to win. Sorry bruv. Facts don’t care about your feelings. > [@Daretqua](#): > > It’s not black and white. But it is 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Talic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/talic/32/412846_2.png) [@Talic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Talic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/48 "2023-02-07T19:34:55Z")
Check the facts on “The Casino War”, In Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Misanthra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/misanthra/32/391383_2.png) [@Misanthra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Misanthra)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/49 "2023-02-07T23:06:50Z")
the new setup isn’t really p2w. the year is 2009. maybe 2010 ish. some guy I came over ot this game from another game (guild said lets try eve, a few of us hopped over) was young, single and had a nice irl job. Didn’t like eve’s training. the good old days. learning skills to learn the skills you needed to fly lol. NGL…I don’t miss learning skills. And plexed to buy a HAC capable char from somewhere. eve in the old days had char buying too. And the dude blew up many HAC’s. many many many HACs. The sp’s of the bought char did not magically get wins. they were flying like an eve noob jsut like we were. he was dying as much as we were. We just had that “welcome to eve” learning session cheaper in t1 cruisers. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-era-for-eve-death-of-p2w-and-rebirth-of-skill/393258/50 "2023-05-08T23:07:12Z")
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