# New Facial Augmentation (face mask) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473 "2021-01-23T09:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/42 "2021-01-29T19:45:28Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > PLEX is an ISK faucet, just like CCP said mining and ratting were Only Ratting is a faucet in that list. The other two do not create isk,they only move it. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/43 "2021-01-29T20:03:09Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Only Ratting is a faucet in that list. The other two do not create isk,they only move it. As if it really matters at this point. ISK faucets, risk less game play, BOTs and AFK players are the reason CCP attacked all miners and all ratters. If miners and ratters should face hate from the game community than so should those lazy risk free ISK farmers that made their wealth and skilled up RISK FREE, with PLEX and SKILL injectors. So if you buy PLEX and SKILL injectors, your a scumbag who is wrecking the game, logic you can trust from the DEVS at CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/44 "2021-01-29T20:11:02Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > PLEX is an ISK faucet ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/1/61d8762462217c29205d012cbc7032a0f987d351.gif) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/9/d9b492256d52b1256f820ac431d868ce80faea6a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/45 "2021-01-29T23:04:07Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > … BOTs and AFK players are the reason CCP attacked all miners and all ratters. If miners and ratters should face hate from the game community … The thing I find so deeply frustrating about the _(sometimes blind)_ hatred that is often aimed at miners is the way that this ignores some basic truisms: 1. **Not everyone who is a miner is constantly cheating** – I have never **ever** used a 'bot _(I’m a Mac user so, unlike on PCs, macros and all that jazz just don’t really work)_. To be honest though, I don’t really \*‘get’ the point of them either. I play EVE because I like the game. What on Earth is the point of setting up something to play it for me, so that I don’t have to play the game that I like to play? 2. **Not every miner is constantly AFK and disengaged with the game** – As above, I play EVE because I like it. Mining is slow which I actually like because it gives me a chance to chat to people _(this is one of the things that draws me to it)_. This however does mean that _sometimes_ my attention is momentarily elsewhere _(B4R, Help channels, general chit chat, or sometimes Project Discovery)_ but I am, generally speaking, always _‘in’_ the game. . _(I will freely admit to **very** occasionally [and I **do** mean **very** occasionally] being AFK, but the realities of being a parent and having a young child means that he doesn’t always respect **my** need for EVE time, all the time …)_ 3. **EVE needs its miners** – Given that, on a fundamental level, the extraction of ore is what drives EVE _(lots of people doing PvP, PvE and/or wars means the inevitable loss of ships, modules etc, and to replace these losses you need ore)_ without miners, sooner or later EVE would come to a crashing halt. . While, up to a point, **ALL** forms of gameplay are valid _(and this even applies to forms of game play that I don’t like, just for the record)_, miners are _now_ and have _always_ been a core and key part of the economic engine that drives the game. PLEX … where do you start? I don’t have some huge problem with PLEX on principle, but I do think that it has the potential to skew the game in quite a distorted way. I’m lucky enough to be well off enough in RL to be able to afford an Omega account. I’m _not_ rich enough _(either in time or money terms)_ however to be able to throw more money at the game _(I’m a parent and I work for a small NGO, go figure …)_ so having a ton of PLEX at my disposal is not really in my reality. Am I going to lose sleep over this? No, because like I said, I enjoy playing EVE. Will I find myself economically _‘out-gunned’_ by other players from time to time? Probably. Will this make me quit EVE? Unlikely. 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/46 "2021-01-29T23:14:58Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > - **Not everyone who is a miner is constantly cheating** – I have never **ever** used a 'bot _(I’m a Mac user so, unlike on PCs, macros and all that jazz just don’t really work)_. To be honest though, I don’t really \*‘get’ the point of them either. I play EVE because I like the game. What on Earth is the point of setting up something to play it for me, so that I don’t have to play the game that I like to play? > - **Not every miner is constantly AFK and disengaged with the game** But you’re just one person, and don’t represent the population at large. Do you know how _you_ play, or how _most miners_ play? > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > **EVE needs its miners** – Given that, on a fundamental level, the extraction of ore is what drives EVE _(lots of people doing PvP, PvE and/or wars means the inevitable loss of ships, modules etc, and to replace these losses you need ore)_ without miners, sooner or later EVE would come to a crashing halt. > . > Based on this, while, up to a point, **ALL** forms of gameplay are valid, miners are _now_ and have _always_ been a core and key part of the economic engine that drives the game. EVE doesn’t need _miners_, it just needs players to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Jian\_Mira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jian_mira/32/509519_2.png) [@Jian\_Mira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jian_Mira)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/47 "2021-01-29T23:20:41Z")
Well this conversation has completely changed, all I was pointing out that i liked the new masks which CCP gave away FREE and now everybody is talking about PLEX Yes i know that this stuff is useless and it can’t really be used for anything as we dont have “walking in stations” but i think Eve is just not all about Ships in Space and PVP. I still think “Walking in stations” would be a great addition to EVE if CCP did it right! but i do know that this will never happen which is a shame… ![WiS_screen_05](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/5/753a110851af57a6cefd3444fd363eaf9a70099b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Haedonism\_Bot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haedonism_bot/32/361930_2.png) [@Haedonism\_Bot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haedonism_Bot)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/48 "2021-01-29T23:21:26Z")
ICP sucks. Faygo is gross. Fight me space juggalos. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/49 "2021-01-29T23:36:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But you’re just one person, and don’t represent the population at large. Do you know how _you_ play, or how _most miners_ play? I respect the fact that you feel that there are miners who do play badly _('botting, AFK, et al)_ and I’m absolutely sure that you are right about this. Does this extrapolate to mean that the _majority_ of miners play in anti-social ways however? Does this extrapolate to mean that I am unusual amongst miners? I’m not sure that it does to be honest. If you offered to show me some robust, rather than anecdotal, evidence to prove that this was the case, then I’d _genuinely_ look at it _objectively_, but I doubt that that will happen or indeed that it even exists. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > EVE doesn’t need _miners_, it just needs players to mine. If that was true, then the reality is that ore production would fall considerably. This means no more capital ships, no more sub-capitals and things like freighters and other large ships start to become problematic to produce. I’d fully accept that to facilitate some of the more audacious battles and PvP’ing that happens in Eve you need to be skilled and clever and that this takes practice and dedication. I also happen to think that to be a successful miner, in the face of repeated attempts to gank you, harass you and generally tell you that you’re crap, you need a degree of dedication, as well as quite a lot of spine. I just don’t think that it’s a case of either/or. I think in order for EVE to be sustainable it needs both predators and prey, PVP’ers and miners, saints and sinners. It’s literally a case on the Yin balancing the Yang. Too much of either is a disaster. 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/50 "2021-01-29T23:38:43Z")
> [@Jian\_Mira](#): > > Yes i know that this stuff is useless and it can’t really be used for anything as we dont have “walking in stations” but i think Eve is just not all about Ships in Space and PVP. I apologise @Jian_Mira. You’re right about the thread moving completely off the OP. I’m not going to pursue the thread about PLEX and PvP/Mining any more. ---
**Author:** ![Jian\_Mira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jian_mira/32/509519_2.png) [@Jian\_Mira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jian_Mira)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/51 "2021-01-29T23:41:09Z")
No need to apologies 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ivicek\_Grikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivicek_grikov/32/251454_2.png) [@Ivicek\_Grikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivicek_Grikov)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/52 "2021-01-29T23:50:15Z")
Hey Ive been gone for the couple of weeks and just missed these. So unfair! I hate the current rewards system, its biased. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/53 "2021-01-29T23:50:53Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > Does this extrapolate to mean that the _majority_ of miners play in anti-social ways however? Does this extrapolate to mean that I am unusual amongst miners? I’m not sure that it does to be honest. I’ve interacted with a _lot_ of miners, and I would say that yes, _most_ of them are like that. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > If you offered to show me some robust, rather than anecdotal, evidence to prove that this was the case, then I’d _genuinely_ look at it _objectively_, but I doubt that that will happen or indeed that it even exists. Roll an alt and start “interacting” with miners, and you’ll see _exactly_ what I mean. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > If that was true, then the reality is that ore production would fall considerably. Which is _exactly_ what we want. And if there aren’t enough minerals for fat-cat null-sec powers to have 3,000-titan ti-di ■■■■-fests, well… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/5/65108c08769701bde24261e08e43cdd9a66a4ae4.jpeg) There will certainly be enough minerals for _everything else_. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > I also happen to think that to be a successful miner, in the face of repeated attempts to gank you, harass you and generally tell you that you’re crap, you need a degree of dedication, as well as quite a lot of spine. > > I just don’t think that it’s a case of either/or. No, really, go make a wardec or ganking alt (or even better, _both_). You need to experience this for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Ivicek\_Grikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivicek_grikov/32/251454_2.png) [@Ivicek\_Grikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivicek_Grikov)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/54 "2021-01-30T00:03:12Z")
I think the new masks make people look like clowns. I missed my mask… sad Ivicek… ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/55 "2021-01-30T13:57:55Z")
> [@Ivicek\_Grikov](#): > > Hey Ive been gone for the couple of weeks and just missed these. So unfair! I hate the current rewards system, its biased. Contact me in game and you can have mine. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/56 "2021-01-30T14:51:13Z")
~~Calm down, Balos.~~ What happened here? … I like those masks. Though they’re not _really_ masks. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/57 "2021-01-30T18:02:10Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Though they’re not _really_ masks. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/b/0bf390c79487091bc750d71beb8e048dfe88d4cf.jpeg) I get your point, though. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/58 "2021-01-30T18:06:03Z")
Loved that movie. And the whole concept. Thank you for reminding me of the Lobo - Mask crossover. I really need to read those comics. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/59 "2021-01-30T19:18:26Z")
There are some good points made in this thread, actually… and yet: \*bows ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/6/66b0b014a4c2f068c2038fe171f217dc87a041fe.jpeg) Virtual space-kabuki™ ftw. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/60 "2021-01-31T00:24:30Z")
More robot style garb please. I don’t want to be human anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473/61 "2021-03-04T18:12:37Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > PLEX and SKILL injectors are the only game play in EVE to face ZERO risk Don’t forget AFK cloaky campers. Zero Risk. Zero Counterplay. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-facial-augmentation-face-mask/291473.md?page=4)