# New market update potential economy collapse **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 11, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141 "2020-03-11T09:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/270 "2020-08-11T18:50:04Z")
> [@John\_Marcuss](#): > > Not every player will be calculating isk and both new and old players **will go bankrupt without knowing what they did wrong.** > We are at serious risk of ruining the **ecoomy** of EVE. > [@John\_Marcuss](#): > > Please reply with your comments on the matter or if you found a technical error in my calculation or my general statement. Guys, guys. We’re at SERIOUS RISK of ruining the ecoomy [sic] of EVE. New and old players are going bankrupt left and right without knowing what they did wrong!! Won’t someone think of the ecoomy!!?? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/271 "2020-08-11T18:51:32Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Won’t someone think of the ecoomy!!?? I also miss the delirium of people who came explaining how the Eve economy was modeled on the IRL economy, and so any RL rule would also apply. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/274 "2020-08-11T19:42:44Z")
There is no capitalism in EVE because there is no ownership and control of equity/capital. There is mercantilism in EVE as seen by its vast commodities market. Which isnt the same thing. 1700s= mercantilism 1800s= capitalism Modern day resembles neither. Very specifically I cannot own the production of another in EVE save very limited means such as pos and taxes ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/276 "2020-08-11T22:38:41Z")
So when are you going to start making real isk? 110 billion **INCOME** for a so called “star trader” is pretty weak. I guess since you’re in TEST we can give you a mulligan. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/277 "2020-08-11T22:40:31Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > I guess since you’re in TEST we can give you a mulligan Yeah he just RMTs his isk. Then sits in a cap umbrella and buys stuff for the corp so looks like he’s making income. Again I have no problem with buying plex to get isk. If your goal is to just get isk to play the game easier. Just dont pull a Scoots and pretend to be successful at making isk when you’re not ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/278 "2020-08-11T22:57:04Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > “star trader” lolwhat? > [@Tater-nuts](#): > > So when are you going to start making real isk? Define “real isk” first, then I’ll let you know when. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/279 "2020-08-11T23:05:53Z")
You started well but then became a conspiracy nut and compared an in game market to the global warming crisis… You do understand that ccp can simply change the rules to how the market works anytime right? And any ‘damage’ is very much reversible. It’s not like global warming in anyway whatsoever. And shortages in eve don’t work like shortages in the real world either. Players can adapt their professions and adapt production much more freely. You’re kinda like this article i read on [INN](https://imperium.news/june-2020-monthly-economic-report-analysis-and-eves-potential-economic-crisis/) that tried doom mongering about the economy but could only conclusively say: - Players think the economy is more fair. - Botting is down. - Cheaper plex means more players. Everything else was vague and circular. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/280 "2020-08-11T23:06:53Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Define “real isk” first, then I’ll let you know when. Real isk as in you didnt buy some plex with real money and sell it for isk lol. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/281 "2020-08-11T23:09:17Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Real isk as in you didnt buy some plex with real money and sell it for isk If that’s the definition, then I’ve already met it when I first started playing by selling Trit on the market back in 2014. I’m sorry your fragile little ego cannot handle someone being richer than you so you must come up with lies like this to convince yourself that you’re still a winner. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/282 "2020-08-12T00:13:12Z")
> [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > It is exhilarating to see how many “First Post” alts get in touch with the topic and start cry cry cry > > As in all other areas: adapt to it, you hypocritical pack. I don’t know about these new taxes, but I adapted I play another game these days. I keep eye on the forums but not a lot tends to happen here of late. But as the game is at present and the state of the market, I don’t have any plans to return anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Crash\_888](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crash_888/32/357008_2.png) [@Crash\_888](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crash_888)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/283 "2020-08-12T00:44:59Z")
So long as there are lazy sellers and impatient buyers the market will function. Also its obvious again that eve players never play other games, since the fees on auction houses in other MMOs are far more extortionate than the current eve fees and still function. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/284 "2020-08-12T01:01:25Z")
> [@Crash\_888](#): > > Also its obvious again that eve players never play other games, So EVE players never play other games, well that’s a surprise. I used to have 3 MMOs on the go including EVE at one stage, I’m sure there are many other players out there that play more than one game. It also depends on how much time you have for playing, I can easily do 16 hours a day if I so choose. Plenty of time to play more than one game. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/285 "2020-08-12T02:44:28Z")
The way i see the market updates is it shows EvE has a bot problem and is now incapable of dealing with it without harming legit players at the same time. You seriously can’t help but laugh that the people running EvE that thought watching what you have for sale diligently and countering market orders throughout the day to increase your maximum profit makes you a bot. Also by playing so much you are now a problem and it is almost better you don’t play at all then play as much as you are. Seriously you can’t tell by now there isn’t less market activity, you can’t tell you ran the prices of things to where they were at least 5 years ago? I have never seen the “shotgun” approach to solving problems work in any game where punishing everyone because you are incapable of solving a problem has ever worked successfully. I also would like to say it shows a whole lot about your thinking when this is your ultimate solution. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/286 "2020-08-12T02:46:36Z")
Removed some off topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/287 "2020-08-12T03:06:36Z")
I didn’t compare the EVE economy to the global warming crisis. I said the baseless naysayers react the same way in both instances. With the passing of time and the accumulation of obvious evidence in one case the dogmatists were forced to change their tune. So will it be in this case. An actual reading of what I said would have revealed this…almost like magic! EVE most seriously has a bot problem. There are also some serious holes in the market interface. But, since the real talent was fired and replaced with marginal performers, you’ll be waiting from nigh on to doomsday to see finally nothing done about this. Welcome to the corporate mentality trying to develop a game. What you end up with is a bunch of shinies for sale for real money, and a whole lotta, “Just let it slide. They’ll get bored and drop the whole subject soon enough.” AND, guess what. We do. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/288 "2020-08-12T03:28:23Z")
If you sell items that are drops from like exploration where the sales are only 1 or 2 items a day or days then it is highly unlikely you will ever be able to sell anything or you will be relisting it a stupid amount of times to sell it, because the other people won’t be selling any. It basically deincentives wanting to play at all, not being able to really sell anything anymore and if you do, you are making substantially less than before. This whole concept is around items that have large demand but completely overlooks items with small demand. I have seen some things i would view as bad changes, but this is by far the worst of all changes I have ever seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/289 "2020-08-12T03:58:21Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > selling Trit on the market back in 2014. There has never been a time in the history of this game when selling mining products was profitable EXCEPT by when you are mining under a cap umbrella. Hardly impressive. I have been here since 2008, 4 years since inception. I participated in the actual war between BOB and Goons. I’ve always lived in low sec, and there’s a reason you’ve never seen all three of my alts on this account. You’re trash, you’ll always be my inferior, and I came back not long ago to make myself rags from riches because I KNOW THIS GAME better than you do. You will always be some “employee” of an Alliance, that makes you look smart, and good, at something your’e not. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/290 "2020-08-12T03:59:53Z")
> [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > I didn’t compare the EVE economy to the global warming crisis. Your comparison goes a little further. > [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > Yes, it will take time for this to solidly take hold, and when it does, there will be no fixing it. > [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > With the passing of time and the accumulation of obvious evidence in one case the dogmatists were forced to change their tune. So will it be in this case. But you’re only a dogmatist if you’re wrong right? Similar to Teckos\_Pech (another very smart economist) you’re thinking of what happens in a real economy. You’re not thinking of an economy where: everyone is self employed or works on commission. Can build cars with stuff they find in their back yard. Don’t need to eat. There is no cost of living. Oil respawns daily. Housing and storage is infinitely tall. Nothing expires or rusts. People print their own money. Eve doesn’t experience crises like reality does. It just re-equilibriates (if that is even a word). Sugar\_Smacks has it right, where specialist items become difficult to trade. And that’s why he should start networking. But basic items will still be mass produced and see trade on the market. What does that look like? A shift to T1 meta and incentive to build and maintain relationships with specialist traders and 3rd party services. (bring it on!) But eve doesn’t do the great depression or the ‘potato famine’ as one person feared. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/292 "2020-08-12T04:01:23Z")
Look to smack down the OP of this thread. I came back to Eve like a year ago now? I started with 50m isk. I have had NO problem going from Pi industrialist to market trader during all this supposed market crash. There is no economic crash…obviously ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/296 "2020-08-12T04:11:32Z")
By the way, I see you typing. I don’t know if you’ll read all my tripe, no matter. I just made 1.2B on someone else’s mistake in the market and and currently exploiting it piecemeal to make sure I get my profit from it… I see things, Chobo…you’d do well to stop seeing the “limits” of my questions and start seeing through them to the game-breaking mechanics I constantly search for. Strangely, you’ve never once delved deeper into just HOW I make 418 P4 per 30hours…you’ve always written it off. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141.md?page=14)