# New market update potential economy collapse **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 11, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141 "2020-03-11T09:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/173 "2020-03-22T07:57:01Z")
> [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > I can almost draw another comparison to the precursors to the 2007-2008 financial crash. No, you can not actually. EvE is not real life. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/174 "2020-03-30T21:34:22Z")
We’re now 19 days in since the prophet foretold the collapse of the economy. Yet neither the collapse nor our prophet is to be seen? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/a/0a00c56c26041ccd94ee05c3c9cb2bd0a5c60c19.png) HE DID THE MATH!! ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/175 "2020-03-30T21:54:19Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > We’re now 19 days in since the prophet foretold the collapse of the economy. Maybe he confused EVE economy with the real one? ---
**Author:** ![Joia\_Crenca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joia_crenca/32/291897_2.png) [@Joia\_Crenca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joia_Crenca)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/177 "2020-03-30T22:40:45Z")
Big thing you pointed out, the release of back inventory. That can power an economy, real or virtual, for an amount of time. In the CCP articles, I believe they mention built-up inventories. This is a long term move, and not for the playerbase benefit. With CCP gaining new ownership by Pearl Abyss, a new corporate philosophy has been brought to bear. As time moves forward, watch for a change in rate of microtransactions. A game economy of scarcity is helpful if a game company wants to have more of those. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/178 "2020-03-30T22:43:40Z")
> [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > A game economy of scarcity is helpful if a game company wants to have more of those. While the things are likely headed that way, a game economy of abundance does not create an interesting gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Joia\_Crenca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joia_crenca/32/291897_2.png) [@Joia\_Crenca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joia_Crenca)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/179 "2020-03-30T22:47:26Z")
> [Ugren Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski) > > [2m](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/178) > > > [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > > > A game economy of scarcity is helpful if a game company wants to have more of those. > > While the things are likely headed that way, a game economy of abundance does not create an interesting gameplay. Demonstrate that. I’ve found enjoyable gameplay in systems where the challenge was from an external circumstance rather than my own management of scarce resources. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/180 "2020-03-30T22:53:23Z")
> [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > Demonstrate that Well, there is no reason for conflict between players in such a system, and engagement through PvE content requires constant creation of it and is not really connected to the market model. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/181 "2020-03-30T23:18:31Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > I have noticed a few things lately: > > 1. Buy orders are scarce and higher prices have vanished, ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/c/7ca8c3cc2e7b1ac51e8885d8af31d5fd8f3a95f3.png) > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > Sales are being pushed in larger amounts at lower prices, not even trading for profit but just recovering ISK. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/f/af867169b1abbf996e8e4534c52bd0cb9257d2e3.png) > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > lower prices ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/2/62ccfd4ba2d8792c4fec49020dcf38eb3f8e36d4.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/c/ecb810d77e5917b86bc353e81cd8e4fd25f56caa.png) ??? It’s like the market has its swing ups and swing downs!! It’s like… the market fluctuates around!! OH NO!! IT’S THE COLLAPSE!! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/183 "2020-03-30T23:38:07Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > It goes both ways. Players clambering and speculating on scarcity is actually another example of economic collapse that you will see more of moving forward. No, see, you actually mean, “I have no idea what I’m talking about and will flip flop my position whenever I’m called out on it”. Face it, the market is fine, will be fine, and there’s going to be no “collapse”. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/185 "2020-03-31T02:15:04Z")
> [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > As time moves forward, watch for a change in rate of microtransactions. A game economy of scarcity is helpful if a game company wants to have more of those. Nonsense. PLEX sales do not generate in-game wealth, they only transfer it between players. A game of scarcity creates a situation where many people may want to buy PLEX to convert into wealth but few people have enough excess resources to trade for PLEX. If you want to drive PLEX sales you need an economy with abundance of resources so that people have extra to convert into paying for their subscription. The only way to get around this problem would be to sell in-game assets directly for cash, and that’s a line CCP has to think very carefully about because it has an extremely high chance of killing the game overnight. > Demonstrate that. I’ve found enjoyable gameplay in systems where the challenge was from an external circumstance rather than my own management of scarce resources. What demonstration do you want besides “a major part of EVE is the player-driven economy and the conflicts it generates”? Having those things requires scarcity, give everyone too much easy resources and there’s nothing to fight over and few market/industry opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/186 "2020-03-31T02:21:14Z")
Now we’ve gotten to the point where we’re backtracking HARD and trying to fudge the lines. 🍿 Whatever, kid. Face it, there won’t be a collapse, you and your doomsday crybaby friends don’t know what you’re talking about and were just scared about the changes. The economy is fine, the market is fine, the players are fine. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/187 "2020-03-31T02:22:10Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > What I am more worried about is how it will effect the wealth of everyone else in game when costs start to build up and swings down in the market no longer become manageable for others. Players will lose more ISK and income which will lead to less spending and investment. The difference between EVE and the real world is that in the real world there’s a rigid line between producers and consumers but in EVE you are not locked into one side. If prices rise too high then you are free to take advantage by putting effort into industry instead of other wealth-generating activities. Either you make a bunch of stuff that sells for a high price and have enough wealth to buy the other stuff you need or you just bypass the market and supply yourself directly. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/189 "2020-03-31T11:30:55Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > No, see, you actually mean, “I have no idea what I’m talking about and will flip flop my position whenever I’m called out on it”. To be fair he is right about what he said but he misidentified the cause behind increasing prices… although he missed that prices are increasing that much. Namely nerfs to mining that caused some people to just refuse to adapt and instead they went into some stupid “manufacturer strike”. I say: I welcome profits increase from both activities with open arms. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/190 "2020-03-31T11:53:41Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > To be fair he is right about what he said No. He was attributing market variation, that existed BEFORE the change, to the change. That’s literally retarded. He just made a bunch of general prophecies with unspecific terms, so that whatever happens he can say “I said so”, but in reality he just made stupid claims and a fool of himself. That’s just spamming the forum with stupidity. The next step is him claiming “I got you all it was a troll all along”. Which should award him a ban off the forum, for “rumor mongering and troll”, if the mods were actually doing their work. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/191 "2020-03-31T12:01:49Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No. He was attributing market variation, that existed BEFORE the change, to the change. That’s literally retarded. True, but what he said about price increases as being a marker of economic collapse is correct… as long as you don’t have other explanation for them. And I have seen people doing firesales of stuff in large quantities… so what do you do? You buyout everything and sell at higher margins 'cuz now there is less competition. That + mining nerfs is why we have price hikes. But this is only someone who does market plays notices. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/192 "2020-03-31T12:36:53Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > what he said about price increases as being a marker of economic collapse is correct… as long as you don’t have other explanation for them. Therefore it’s wrong. If your whole argument for an idea is “I can’t think of anything else”, then it only talks about you, not about that idea. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/194 "2020-03-31T12:41:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > shut down a whole bunch of omegas Next step is, you just shut up. Don’t stop now ! ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/196 "2020-03-31T16:15:35Z")
> [@Joia\_Crenca](#): > > All of this. is a wall of nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/198 "2020-04-07T22:22:43Z")
I think it’s a good time to check and see if the economy has collapsed yet… and… nope. I don’t see a collapse. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-market-update-potential-economy-collapse/225141/199 "2020-04-07T22:55:13Z")
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