# New player, negative ISK balance. Why no notifcations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [November 11, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-player-negative-isk-balance-why-no-notifcations/427217 "2023-11-11T08:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-player-negative-isk-balance-why-no-notifcations/427217/21 "2023-11-12T08:35:52Z")
And in a timing that is uncanny, there’ a whole other thread on where OP wants the popup to say “you’ll probably be destroyed” because _surely_ that specific text would have fixed their behavior: > [@Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315): > > EDIT: Since nobody is reading the full text, here’s the TL;DR: I recently [lost my freighter](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113000980/) on a hi-sec gate to NPCs that scrammed and popped me within seconds of uncloaking. It turns out they were Triglavians, not Drifters (I’ve been away from game for a long time, and am not up to date on the lingo). My overall point is that substantial losses such as the one incurred (5.6 billion ISK) should be the result of player choices, not random acts of NPC violence, expecially in secure space. Introdu… > [@Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/24): > > No, I did not “know the danger”. I saw a popup, sure – as I’ve seen countless other times for countless other reasons, and I have literally never been aggressed by NPCs after seeing those popups. In hi-sec or low-sec. So a popup such as this does NOT communicate “IF YOU JUMP YOU WILL BE DESTROYED”, it communicates, “there may be certain risks in this system that do not exist in other systems.” It’s **VAGUE**. Do you honestly think I would risk 5.6 billion ISK if I “knew the danger”? Please. The core gampeplay loop of Eve Online for any mechanic anywhere is: 1. Research / Plan 2. Prepare 3. Execute 4. Fail 5. Learn 6. Go to step one These 2 threads are prime examples of people having to “learn the hard way” and failing in Step 4. However, rather than internalizing the lesson and learning in step 5, they blame anything about the game they can put their hands on. - Is there a popup? No? Well it’s the lack of a popup. - Oh, there a popup. Does it have the text that _I_ require? No? Well it’s because it’s not that text. - Oh, there’s a popup and it warns about consequences? Well then it’s just a _bad game_. Nowhere in this ego-defending line of thought the real lesson: - “Man it really _really_ sucks this happened to me. I should find friends that can educate me about contraband, do more research next time on what Triglavians are, and take it as a sign I need to learn and research more about these mechanics so it doesn’t happen again.” I get it sucks losing [5 billion](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113000980/) or being 21 M isk in the red. But don’t twist this sympathetic moment as an ugly excuse to evade taking personal responsibility. Malak says it nicely: > [@Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/99): > > When you can’t be bothered to read a warning message and want to change the system to warn you about dangers, you are placing the blame on the game for your own mistake. There is nothing wrong with being mistaken btw, but when you insist that a game changes due to your own mistake, it sounds very entitled. Just take it as a lesson to read warnings more. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-player-negative-isk-balance-why-no-notifcations/427217)._