# New players have no reason to Sub and keep playing **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 25, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056 "2018-06-25T06:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/222 "2018-06-27T19:55:40Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > You have clearly no idea what you are talking about. what a waste of time. And now you go again with personal aggression. Go back to school child, and learn what science is. It’s not a matter of native language, it’s a matter of you lacking basic education. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s why making science is so difficult, expensive, and people can’t understand it. Typically you are the one who doesn’t understand anything here. You are talking about something you have zero knowledge about. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/223 "2018-06-27T20:23:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And now you go again with personal aggression. Directly followed by > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Go back to school child, and learn what science is. Talk about irony! You should calm down @Anderson_Geten You can be nice to converse with, but not when you’re in the "I’m right and you know nothing you idiot\* mode ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/224 "2018-06-27T21:26:47Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Talk about irony! Let’s call a cat a cat, and a dishonest ignorant child what he actually is. BTW that was an advice, he really should go to school and learn about basic things before he even starts thinking about them. He SHOWED he was an idiot. Again, maybe that was not what he meant to do, but I can’t guess what he really is, so I stick with his words. And his words mean, he is a stupid kid. Of course you can correct me. Tell me how you call someone who repeatedly claim something false after he was corrected, and then relies on personal aggression and complete nonsense about a topic he does know nothing about ? Maybe immature spoiled would be more respectful ? Sorry, english is not my native language either, I have a hard time finding the exact term to express my feeling. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/225 "2018-06-27T21:36:08Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Let’s call a cat a cat, and a dishonest ignorant child what he actually is. > > BTW that was an advice, he really should go to school and learn about basic things before he even starts thinking about them. > He SHOWED he was an idiot. Again, maybe that was not what he meant to do, but I can’t guess what he really is, so I stick with his words. And his words mean, he is a stupid kid. How does expressing an opinion like this help the discussion of the topic? Having read down the last couple of hundred posts, aside from the ad hominems, which are empty and meaningless, where are the counter arguments against the ideas rather than the person? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/226 "2018-06-27T21:39:31Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > where are the counter arguments against the ideas rather than the person? The counter arguments are in the previous posts, before he resorted to using personal aggression and affirming complete nonsense like “science does not need to prove something”. I think the last one is here : > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Tell what ? He is the one expressing his opinion. He is not distorting CCP data to make it seem real. He is entitled to have and express his opinion, just as you are entitled to have and express yours, wheter it differs or goes along - as long as you stop lying to people on purpose. Where I express that I don’t have to argue against OP opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/227 "2018-06-27T21:44:47Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The counter arguments are in the previous posts, before he resorted to using personal aggression and affirming complete nonsense like “science does not need to prove something” Maybe you can link one or two, or just recap them here again? Having looked up the only attempt at a counter argument is “correlation doesn’t equal causation”, which itself isn’t an argument against the data presented, just the start of a possible argument. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I think the last one is here : What you’ve quoted looks like just another ad hominem, not a discussion against the data, just the person. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/228 "2018-06-27T21:56:12Z")
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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/229 "2018-06-27T22:24:30Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > not a discussion against the data, just the person. it’s a an argument against “I should discuss OP argument as much as I discuss IMA argument”. If you think this is stupid, I agree with you. Tell that to IMA. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/230 "2018-06-27T22:41:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > it’s a an argument against “I should discuss OP argument as much as I discuss IMA argument”. What argument of Ima’s has been discussed? That’s the part that looking over the last couple of hundred posts seems very thin. Argument against the ideas seems missing, in favor of just arguing the person. So getting it back to topic, what’s the counter argument to the ideas? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/231 "2018-06-28T01:45:15Z")
> [@z0rberg](#): > > Ya know, I have no personal involvement in this whatsoever, but why don’t you take it out on him in the game? > > Not trying to be malign towards you or him, I’m just legitimately wondering about that. You can find DMC at public roleplaying events. On Federation Day he was in Luminaire shooting fire works with the rest of the bunch. > > I’ve got no idea what the freakin’ ■■■■ is going on with you people spending so much time hating each other on the forums, when you can way more effectively hate each other in the game! In the game no one can hide behind words and anyone who stays docked because of baddies outside still has to stay docked, or play on an alt. > > I’m not personally involved, as I said, Actually you just proved that you’re not only biased, you also involved yourself for no other reason than to instigate retribution against me for some unknown personal reason. > [@z0rberg](#): > > Quite embarrassing, ain’t it so? That’s why people fight with fists in real life eventually instead of just stupidly throwing words at each other as if it meant anything at all. They beat each other up. ‘s how things worked successfully for millenia. The one with words submits to the one with fists. Violence is always a solution. Might not be the best one, yeah, but it’s definitely a solution and most often it’s the final solution, which is a-okay in EVE because it’s just a fuckin’ game. There’s so many fuckin’ ways of making people suffer and all the peeps around here do is writing stupid words of impotent rage that do nothing. Fuckin’ embarrassin’, I’d say. > > Need an example? Look at Kane. What’d he do if he sees someone deserving ass-whoopin’? He seeks him out and whoops his ass! No wastin’ time on the forums, no wastin’ time typin’ words except “Hello there”, which ‘s all he fuckin’ needed and everyone knew what the ■■■■ was going to happen next. And now you’re advocating violence to do personal harm to others in real life. That’s something CCP does not condone. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/232 "2018-06-28T01:59:23Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Having read down the last couple of hundred posts, aside from the ad hominems, which are empty and meaningless, where are the counter arguments against the ideas rather than the person? It is just easier to attack a person over and over until a topic gets locked for flames than to actually discuss a topic. Happens often on eve forums. In addition this is GD so we can expect more trolling in it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/234 "2018-06-28T09:41:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/235 "2018-06-28T10:41:19Z")
The pyramid shape is so appropriate; very little refutation and plenty of name-calling. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/236 "2018-06-28T10:57:13Z")
I’ve been playing, and enjoying, EVE Online since 2012 with one account. ![03219a3b8ca3cccb52581a79e119998b__large](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/a/baed112e58ec8845f10fbd4ea28163590f62136c.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/237 "2018-06-28T11:05:52Z")
Define how you enjoy eve with 1 account ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/238 "2018-06-28T11:08:50Z")
Define? My enjoyment? Define it? Really? You don’t define subjective experience, idiot. If I say I enjoy the game with one account, that means someone enjoys the game with one account. I would place a rather large bet on the likelihood that I’m not the only one, which renders point 1 completely moot. No definition required. Enjoyment is based on personal subjective experience, so you get to sit there and accept the fact (because it is a fact) that I enjoy the game with one account simply on my claim and my claim alone. Albeit, I’ve been away for a while, but I’m making a comeback. [This badboy](https://zkillboard.com/character/91880134/) needs updating. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/239 "2018-06-28T11:15:13Z")
You seem a little defensive there for a filthy casual ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/240 "2018-06-28T11:17:20Z")
To be fair, you asked a stupid question, and I generously offered you something other than a stupid answer. As for the ‘filthy casual’ quip, speak for yourself, or post with your main, pussy ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/241 "2018-06-28T11:26:30Z")
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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-have-no-reason-to-sub-and-keep-playing/85056/242 "2018-06-28T16:52:07Z")
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