# New players in eve. Concered About Game stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 23, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670 "2023-12-23T20:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/41 "2023-12-25T14:17:57Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > the forum influencers Aiko has 13 trillion ISK worth of destruction and 18,000 kills to her name. That is actual _Eve_ influence on a large scale. You have 12 kills, 61 losses, and several thousand whiny posts. I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/43 "2023-12-26T02:18:28Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > griefers You keep using that word but you’re not using it in the correct context. Then again, all you do is troll the forums with your incessant whining about what your opinion of eve should be to you, vs what eve actually is. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/44 "2023-12-26T02:31:31Z")
Yeah. In 2009 it didn’t even matter if it was there. I don’t recall it either. Mostu, think it was the system, had the highest agent quality for Caldari navy. Also had the gank pests alpha striking the active shield tanks. That be literal and figurative pests. They ran arty alpha blap fit tempests back then. Some going on about how unfair eve is. They’ve cleaned the place actually. Long ago…it was possible to have battleships viable for this. Tengu pilots wanted shiny and expensive modules. Arty pests blapped the shiny tengus out dps’ing rep cycles. same for bs’s like raven if unlucky. I was in ye old passive drake then for the 2009 start to eve. Slow mission runner but low on the gank targets. They knew the loot fairy would drop lots of SPR and extenders. Not shiny ones lol. ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/45 "2023-12-27T11:58:18Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > By significantly lowering the cost on freighters and exhumers etc. there will be practically no griefing of them. How do you figure? A barge is like 80mil fit, and people still gank them. How much should an Exhumer cost in comparison? > [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > More people might start flying them, take bigger risks, more targets for the proffesional gankers. Less targets for the griefers. Win win. But will never happen. CCP is too stubborn to fix anything to their own detriment. You just said there’d be “practically no” griefing… now there will be more? Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/46 "2023-12-27T14:18:44Z")
From my understanding, it seems to be both. The “Professional Ganker”, arbitrarily defined as someone who only ganks a profitable target, will have more targets because of cheaper ships, and ‘griefers’ will have fewer targets because the lower value of those targets will make them less grief inducing, or something like that. It’s a case of trying to take one’s own bias and values and trying to treat them as universal, or should be universal by some divine providence. People ganking in Highsec are, more often than not, doing so to project power and influence. Obey, or risk destruction. They are able to do so even though CONCORD deletes their ships afterward. Trying to claim, control, or influence space, even High Security space is fundamental to Eve. Why do gankers blow up empty targets? Because the freighters haven’t complied with their authority and they’re able to punish the pilot for that failure to comply. You can try to thumb your nose at them and get away with it. Lots of people manage to get their ships and freight where it needs to go in spite of them, but if someone is strutting around like a peacock in front of their nose, they should expect to get shot whether they’re a profitable kill or not. It’s nothing personal. It’s a logical and reasonable action to take to get people to recognize the authority of an individual or group. I am sure there are some bad actors who do these same things to inflict grief, but I have never met them. All people who attempted to kill me were at a minimum professional even though they were hostile and threatening. Most were pleasant to talk to, though would still kill me given half a chance. Had they truly wished to inflict grief as their primary objective, I think they would have behaved much differently. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/47 "2023-12-27T15:22:28Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Trying to claim, control, or influence space, even High Security space is fundamental to Eve. Indeed, the one thing that continually gets missed is that a large portion of ganking is of the ‘this is our territory’ type of thing. When I have ganked for my corp, we even tell the gank targets that. They can avoid being ganked again by joining the corp. Far from being ‘griefing’, this is a political thing. A miner is for us or they are against us. Other gankers have their ‘permits’…which amount to the same ’ you are mining in our territory’ sort of thing. Much of ganking being territorial is the one thing that invariably gets missed in all the gank threads. ---
**Author:** ![Prototype041](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prototype041/32/403765_2.png) [@Prototype041](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prototype041)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/48 "2023-12-27T15:38:32Z")
Good tips and info in here. ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/49 "2023-12-27T16:34:32Z")
Totally agree on all of your points. making them cheaper would be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/50 "2023-12-27T16:37:30Z")
Why would YOU boast on Aiko’s kills? You must be the managers pet in workplace , such a lapdog move, its a gringe to see it allday long in the forums :). Aiko is the forum muscle you all call for rescue when you want the meathead to teach a lesson to the nerd , MEGA GRINGE. Get youre own witty remarks and zkills, don’t hide in other peoples shadow. ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/51 "2023-12-27T16:42:21Z")
You are spot on here in everything you say. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/52 "2023-12-27T17:56:36Z")
Ooh, you just got _called out,_ son. Whacha gon’ do ‘bout the anonymous forum alt talkin’ ■■■■ to ya? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/c/0ac8839dd3f4c7d9ddc7ba6b06985d13f6f1fa94.gif) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/c/0ac8839dd3f4c7d9ddc7ba6b06985d13f6f1fa94.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/53 "2023-12-27T18:13:47Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Ooh, you just got _called out,_ son. Lol. Let me see now. Across my chars I have 530 kills and 20 losses…and I’m being called out by someone who has…oh…nothing at all. I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/54 "2023-12-27T18:22:29Z")
Your 530 niche PK griefs don’t count, because they aren’t _ **REAL** _ PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/55 "2023-12-27T18:28:02Z")
Ok dryson. Or is that drac? Both annoying af ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/56 "2023-12-27T18:30:47Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Your 530 niche PK griefs don’t count, because they aren’t _ **REAL** _ PvP. They are proof of REAL Undocking…rather than FORUM Undocking. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/57 "2023-12-27T18:31:03Z")
The other posters were just better than you. They are _ **REAL** _ community members, so you couldn’t win any forum arguments against them. Well, this has been _amusing,_ but I’m going back to playing Bonerstorm. Heh…😏 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/58 "2023-12-27T18:35:14Z")
You need to find archer and bring him back. I know you miss him ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/59 "2023-12-27T18:36:15Z")
He found a girl, we’ll never see him again. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/61 "2023-12-27T22:16:42Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Those guys could teach you a thing or two about PVP, That’s really quite amusing coming from some forum warrior who has zero killboard or _any_ evidence that they have _ever even undocked_ in the entire 6 years they have been in Eve. And you seek to lecture someone who’s been in on 1.5 trillion ISK worth of kills in a third of that time. What you could teach me about PvP would make zero look a huge number. ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670/63 "2023-12-27T22:30:25Z")
Yeah , you can’t see my stuff 🙂 Hehe it brings a smile to my face. Now go pad them stats with your F1 gang “pirate”. But as a serious note you should try some solo PvP i heard it gets yar heart racing ! No safety nets, no mommy or daddy, just you and a PVE’r tanking a room of NPC’s and boss in PVE fit. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-players-in-eve-concered-about-game-stuff/433670.md?page=4)