# New Rifter: Anyone Found A Use? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006 "2017-10-02T21:19:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/21 "2017-11-07T07:06:22Z")
So rust is a bust, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Elmund\_Egivand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elmund_egivand/32/11038_2.png) [@Elmund\_Egivand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elmund_Egivand)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/22 "2017-11-07T08:06:39Z")
Why aren’t you flying a Breacher? Breachers are very good, man. Alternatively, what about Slashers? ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/23 "2017-11-07T13:36:48Z")
I never liked the Rifter, but like the slasher and breacher, both fine ships. ---
**Author:** ![Mobadder\_Thworst](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobadder_thworst/32/17572_2.png) [@Mobadder\_Thworst](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobadder_Thworst)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/24 "2017-11-10T02:05:44Z")
WI haven’t tried it out yet, but the rifter’s still fast and can fit ab, scram, and web. If you drop a bit of DPS for a high-slot neut, you could run a nice mid-range setup and dedicate the lows to tank. I don’t yet know how dismal the DPS will be… If it still has the tracking bonus, that may be somewhat lost on a mid range boat. I’ll check the numbers when I get online… but the rifter is and always has been a powerhouse at controlling range. I don’t see why it can’t still do that… and that’s really all you need to be able to win with it. If you know your mechanics, you can always win if you can control range. That being said, for the rifter to require that much finesse (assuming the build I propose even works) is a slap in the face for what the Minmatar stand for. It should be an ugly, dirty, and fast ball of gunfire with a glimpse of rust between flashes… and I firmly believe it’s preferred tactic should be brutal and simple (orbit @500, mess up target). ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/25 "2017-11-10T02:35:53Z")
CCP recently removed the utility high slot, gave the Rifter a bit more CPU, and gave it another low slot. It does not have a tracking bonus, but rather a falloff range bonus. They seem to be pushing the scram-kite or arty kiting roles hard with the most recent Rifter changes. ---
**Author:** ![Elmund\_Egivand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elmund_egivand/32/11038_2.png) [@Elmund\_Egivand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elmund_Egivand)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/26 "2017-11-10T03:18:38Z")
Unfortunately, Rifter’s still shite at both. ---
**Author:** ![Alessienne\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alessienne_ellecon/32/13081_2.png) [@Alessienne\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alessienne_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/27 "2017-11-10T05:32:48Z")
OH WOE IS US SOMETHING WAS CHANGED THE UNIVERSE WILL COME TO AN END EVE IS DYING ---
**Author:** ![Garresh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garresh/32/411555_2.png) [@Garresh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garresh)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/28 "2017-11-10T07:34:41Z")
Nerfing a ship that was already considered low tier isn’t just a change. It’s a complete gutting. Rifter was a perfect example of minmatar design due to its utility. Now it’s trash. It has to ve significantly more narrow in its fitting choice, and it has become pidgeonholed down to like 2 fitting options, both of which it is terrible at. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/29 "2017-11-10T18:20:10Z")
I like the exta low. Arty rifter roams should be fun. You can do a lot with a powercore. 2? Wow, you don’t even realize. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturus\_Ursidae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturus_ursidae/32/163602_2.png) [@Arcturus\_Ursidae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturus_Ursidae)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/30 "2017-11-10T19:57:59Z")
Did it get extra CPU? That would help but I didn’t spot that. I have tried 400mm plate fit with SAAR and 150s and had a couple of kills and a close loss. Dual gyro to keep the DPS up but dcu may be better. Range bonus helps the 150s stay competitive I think. ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/31 "2017-11-10T21:07:01Z")
Don’t get excited. I’m fairly certain the Rifter got +5 CPU some months ago…although that might have been soon after Alphas were introduced. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturus\_Ursidae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturus_ursidae/32/163602_2.png) [@Arcturus\_Ursidae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturus_Ursidae)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/32 "2017-11-10T22:31:01Z")
Found it, got 5cpu and 3pg back in end 2016. Could have done with a bit more with the slot change. The rocket launcher or neut fit in the old high didn’t use a lot of cpu compared to a low slot module. ---
**Author:** ![Mobadder\_Thworst](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobadder_thworst/32/17572_2.png) [@Mobadder\_Thworst](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobadder_Thworst)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/33 "2017-11-10T22:59:35Z")
Ok, Tried this today. The falloff bonus interacts with the long autocannon falloff to make this guy a range champ. Barrage with good skills was running a 17k falloff… unheard-of on a frigate. You’re shooting around 10k with rep-fleet em. With that many mids, I’m calling this guy a mid-range boat that fights in falloff range. The speed is good with an AB, web and scram. For my taste, I’m dropping a gun for a neut to make sure nobody tanks my ■■■■ DPS. I’m not happy with the DPS (words rarely said about the rifter up to this point). I didn’t finish the build on it (didn’t bother finishing out the tank)… but with web, scram, and neut (and it’s strong speed) I’ll easily establish range control on anyone it can grab. I can’t think of a brawler that would hold it close or a speed boat that could hold it at bay… kiting is possible, but it’s fast with an AB. I’d fly it. ---
**Author:** ![Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rifter_enthusiast/32/36839_2.png) [@Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rifter_Enthusiast)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/34 "2017-11-11T00:01:14Z")
> [@Garresh](#): > > -1 High slot > +1 Low slot … \* _Biomasses character_ \* ---
**Author:** ![Goro\_Matsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/goro_matsu/32/42016_2.png) [@Goro\_Matsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Goro_Matsu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/35 "2017-12-04T21:20:38Z")
I found a use for the Rifter ! ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/36 "2017-12-04T21:34:00Z")
Share plz ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/37 "2017-12-05T11:29:02Z")
I used rifter for solo pvp using nosferatu and autocannons + small rep in low. Worked really well. Now it is trash, my build is no longer viable there is no place for cap booster and sacrificing 1 weapon slot for nosferatu lowers dps so much it is not worth it. The only thing the extra slot in low is good for is inertial stabilizers and make it a travel fit (for which gallente’s Atron or amarr’s Punisher are still better options anyway). RIP Rifter. ---
**Author:** ![Rovain\_Sess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rovain_sess/32/342206_2.png) [@Rovain\_Sess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rovain_Sess)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/38 "2017-12-27T01:46:28Z")
Really depends on your opponent, setup ( lol, the chess game that is New Eden). It does and will work against a mwd fit Comet if flown as a scram kite. Considering all the screw ups that can occur in piloting, etc… it can get kills. Is it a win button - no. If you want that - Fly the everybody is flying doctrine. If your up for a challenge, give the Ritter another look see. Rove ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/39 "2017-12-31T05:03:25Z")
That fit is unbelievably bad for literally everything. ---
**Author:** ![Serylda\_Skor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serylda_skor/32/12316_2.png) [@Serylda\_Skor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serylda_Skor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006/40 "2018-01-27T18:10:00Z")
not sure in how good is the ship doing post patch but i tested this fit yesterday and i think it was solid (except perhaps, for the AB and the Meta4 weapons but well, im poor and noob): [Rifter, Buffer Rifter] Damage Control II 200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Kinetic Plating II Explosive Plating II 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler 200mm Light ‘Scout’ Autocannon I 200mm Light ‘Scout’ Autocannon I 200mm Light ‘Scout’ Autocannon I Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I Small Anti-Thermal Pump I idea was to try and brawl the most but the first target was an executioner and meh. perhaps it could be used against something else. the AB was to have some speed even when webbed while not suffering from signature penalties but anyways. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-rifter-anyone-found-a-use/29006.md?page=3)