# New Ship Idea: Covert drone Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [September 8, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938 "2018-09-08T19:38:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/29 "2018-09-08T21:55:57Z")
Orca, porpoise. ccp have the theme not me. your unwarranted hostility is astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/30 "2018-09-08T21:58:42Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Why would anyone still use the Mack if there is this super Orca which does every single thing better? less investment, less risk, quicker mining still overall albeit more labour intensive and less skill training required. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/31 "2018-09-08T22:03:15Z")
What is the real need for this? It would be a stupid idea cause of highsec as the Orca itself is really good enough as is without a need for such a T2 version. ---
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/32 "2018-09-08T22:06:30Z")
natural progression? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/33 "2018-09-08T22:10:45Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > less investment, less risk, quicker mining still overall albeit more labour intensive and less skill training required. Reeks of power creep. Look, there will probably never be a new ship if you just propose it to be better at almost everything another ship already does. CCP has tried to get rid of “ship levels” with tiericide and you are just not adding anything other than a new ship level. ---
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/34 "2018-09-08T22:16:14Z")
What if it was more pvp focused, with bonuses to scram and neut range, would that be less power creepy and more niche? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/35 "2018-09-08T22:17:15Z")
So a better Skiff? The problem is still that it mines better than the ships who are specialist miners. Scale down on the mining bonuses. It simply can’t be better than an Exhumer. ---
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/36 "2018-09-08T22:21:49Z")
I see your point, you’ll have to forgive me I wasn’t aware of this anti-ship levelling thing. perhaps my boost stats are a little off, I never intended it to outmine the exhumers. you’re a clever one by the way, and civilised. I like you. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/37 "2018-09-09T00:45:21Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > natural progression? That is not a need in this game, especially in industry. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/38 "2018-09-09T01:28:31Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > This ship is (if you haven’t guessed already) would be the final word in solo mining. We already have the final word for solo mining. Its called a Rorqual. And predictably, its only allowed in Low or Nullsec space. > [@Fluxconduit](#): > > I think it would create some very interesting games of “cat and very big mouse” outside of hisec, or even in hisec during a wardec. Again, Already filled. Orcas are already a very big mouse. Everything you state this ship should do, is already filled by other ships. The only other aspect, is the covert ops cloaking capabilities, but that wouldnt fly either. Theres a reason why there are no covert ops ships above cruisers. There is no Covert ops Battlecruiser. There is no Covert Ops Battleship. No Covert Ops capitals. Its deemed too OP. So i dont see what other reason your ship would have to exist, other than “I want a bigger ore hold so i can go AFK for longer”. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/39 "2018-09-09T05:05:56Z")
Removed a bunch of off topic posts. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Fluxconduit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluxconduit/32/95603_2.png) [@Fluxconduit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluxconduit)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/40 "2018-09-09T09:14:54Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So i dont see what other reason your ship would have to exist, other than “I want a bigger ore hold so i can go AFK for longer”. I don’t like afk anything, and you would still be limited by the amount of time the drones take to eat each rock. with slightly-better-than-orca drone mining that would be even less. The Idea is to spend less time hauling when you don’t have an alt or friend for it, multi-boxing is something else I don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/41 "2018-09-09T10:41:16Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > multi-boxing is something else I don’t like. You have to realise, that this will also be used by multiboxers for great effect. It will make their gameplay easier as well, especially in Highsec this will just result in everyone using this better Orca to drone down the ice belts completely AFK more efficient than even a corp with Exhumers working together. Everyone would just be dumb to use anything else other than that t2 Orca. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Binchiette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_binchiette/32/193733_2.png) [@Marcus\_Binchiette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Binchiette)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/42 "2018-09-09T14:51:28Z")
Keep the ships maintenance bay and fleet hangar. These could potentially be the ships best attributes… Imagine a capital ship, capable of take a BLOPS bridge and carry reships in it’s maintenance bay. I can see it right now. Imagine this “Belugar” taking the BLOPS bridge into a hot LZ. Immediately upon entering the grid, 3 of the stealth bomber pilots approach, and board the Sabres from it’s maintenance bay. Instant bubbles. Imagine the tears! Excellent combat support ship… Shithouse mining vessel. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/43 "2018-09-09T16:56:23Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > I don’t like afk anything, Thats what everyone says. But the reality is, this will only make it easier and will only be used as a means to AFk longer. > [@Fluxconduit](#): > > with slightly-better-than-orca drone mining that would be even less. I dont understand what you mean by this. “Slightly better”, then followed up by “less”. Is it better, therefore more, or is it less, and therefore worse? > [@Fluxconduit](#): > > The Idea is to spend less time hauling when you don’t have an alt or friend for it Again, its already a role that is filled by the orca. Orcas already have a 150k ore hold. 150,000. Thats huge. An orca mines around 70k m3 an hour with perfect skills, T2 mining drones and T2 mining drone rigs. It takes over two hours to fill up the ore hold. Going back once every 2 hours to empty your hold, isnt a problem that i see needs to be rectified. I need to go back every 20 minutes with a mackinaw. This is already a huge difference, with 20 minutes and 2 hours. What do you want? To go back once every 5 hours? If we balance your ship idea, with the orca, and decrease the amount of m3 that the drones mine, then its not going to change anything. You will spend less amount of time going back, but you will also lose the base yield over the orca, which means that the amount you actually mine, doesnt change, at all. If you mine for 10 hours straight, you will have the same, or atleast similar, amount of ore for both ships. The only difference is, itll be easier to AFK in the “bulega” or whatever you want to call your ship. Thats it. Thats the only difference between your ship and the Bulega. Better AFK mining. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/44 "2018-09-09T17:01:15Z")
Endurance and Prospect ---
**Author:** ![Krysenth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krysenth/32/58194_2.png) [@Krysenth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krysenth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/45 "2018-09-11T02:16:08Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > This ship is (if you haven’t guessed already) would be the final word in solo mining. Um…Rorqual says hi. ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/46 "2018-09-11T23:11:04Z")
No on covert cloaking but I’d like to see a Rorqual equal in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/47 "2018-09-12T01:29:39Z")
> [@Fluxconduit](#): > > while drone mining in my first Orca …aaand we can all stop reading there. Get a pen and a pencil and write 50.000 times: The Orca is not a drone mining boat!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ship-idea-covert-drone-miner/104938/48 "2018-09-14T13:54:29Z")
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