# New T3 industrial ships for low, nullsec and wh **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 7, 2020, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174 "2020-03-07T05:30:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/1 "2020-03-07T05:30:19Z")
Why havent we heard about T3 mining barges or T3 industrial command ships. For fleet in low and null… porpoise was a waste of time… its a buffed up primea and not a good substitute for the orca. I would like to see a T3 version of the orca with T3 subsystem that allow you to be more capable for low, nullsec and wh uses. The idea is given the pilot control of the capability of the command ship like better tank, better survivability, or boost/fleet support. Just like the T3 cruiser already in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/2 "2020-03-07T06:21:06Z")
> [@Specailist\_Spex](#): > > Why havent we heard about T3 mining barges or T3 industrial command ships. Why do we need one? Rorquals are already incredibly powerful enough. ---
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/3 "2020-03-07T06:25:47Z")
The rorquals are good for large alliance that have umbrellas to protect them… and beside those are just a huge blap candy for dread bombs ---
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/4 "2020-03-07T06:34:56Z")
You know to further the question of why we need one… we dont. With this new rebalance of mineral and the ever increase for content. the change of pase would be great for the industrial side of the house which get forgotten about more often then not. It would be nice to see something good come out. that benifits the little guys that struggle with gankers in hisec, the gangs of lowsec and again the only real threat to nullsec is wingspan/dreadbombs. A tactical mining barge/ and a T3 industrial command ship would make mining alot more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/5 "2020-03-07T06:42:22Z")
T3 barges/industrials would be hunted even more than regular ones. Much like Hulks in high sec, players wouldn’t even bother fielding a T3 barge because it would be an instant gank magnet. And no matter if it’s T3 or not, nothing will stop you from getting ganked in high sec. All they have to do is throw a few more ships at it. Having said that, I’m all for some new mining and industrial ships, but thinking that having a T3 version of one will help you escape a gank is a pipe dream. And a T3 version of the Orca will still get punted out of an ore belt by a Machariel just like the regular one does… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/6 "2020-03-07T07:24:20Z")
Can’t T3 Cruisers fit mining bursts to provide support, and yet fit tank, DPS, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/7 "2020-03-07T07:25:36Z")
Yes, as can any battlecruiser… ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/8 "2020-03-07T07:37:36Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Can’t T3 Cruisers fit mining bursts to provide support, and yet fit tank, DPS, etc.? Command Destroyers can use mining bursts too. There are a variety of choices, each with some unique properties. ---
**Author:** ![Bitchpudding\_Blam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bitchpudding_blam/32/369357_2.png) [@Bitchpudding\_Blam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bitchpudding_Blam)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/9 "2020-03-07T09:52:34Z")
I could ALMOST see a cloaky T2 Porpoise… but T3 industrial might be pushing it. Besides they already have enough ship lines that could use a little more love first. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/10 "2020-03-07T11:03:23Z")
Oh God NO! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/11 "2020-03-07T12:14:05Z")
> [@Specailist\_Spex](#): > > I would like to see a T3 version of the orca with T3 subsystem that allow you to be more capable for low, nullsec and wh uses. No, go away. ---
**Author:** ![SeiferDarx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seiferdarx/32/503123_2.png) [@SeiferDarx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeiferDarx)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/12 "2020-03-07T13:01:27Z")
Tech 2 rorquals… Yeah ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/13 "2020-03-07T13:19:00Z")
The porpoise is actually great because it can fit through the smallest WHs and C13s always have ice and ore in them, plus it doesnt take 3 years to align ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/14 "2020-03-07T14:43:02Z")
I don’t honestly know enough about mining to comment accurately here. However the many threads over the years about Orca’s and Rorquals have had pretty convincing arguments and data to show the Rorq is clearly OP and the Orca nearly so. But at least the Orca seems to have an interesting variety of uses so that may justify its stats. The T2 versions of the Venture rarely get picked on as OP or unbalancing. I hear about more uses of the Prospect for its’ cloak than the Endurance for it’s extra hold, but they both seem to get some use and not too much abuse. As others have mentioned, this leaves the Porpoise as the ship that could use a new version. I don’t see a lot of discussion about Porpoise’s and I confess I liked the idea of it when it was first announced (mostly just because I liked the idea of a ‘Space Flipper’ 🙂 ) and was a little disappointed it didn’t turn out to be ‘cooler’. So maybe a Porpoise upgrade could be devised that would be cool but not OP. Not sure what features it would need, myself. Covert cloak? Larger fleet bay? A special module that slows it down and fills the fleet bay but allows it to compress ore? A special ability that allows it to project a “warp enabling bubble” so it can sacrifice itself on the field but allow all the ships it boosts to warp out? No firm ideas here, just the thought that it needs a ‘cool function’ that gives it more uses than just “a good mining booster for dangerous space” because honestly, how many people even bother to set up mining fleets with boosts in ‘dangerous space’? ---
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/15 "2020-03-07T14:47:57Z")
But the fact remains your not giving industrial new ship. Your still using combat, or exploring ship for a indy ships job. I feel this is part of why they havent redress the indy side of the house becuase industrialists make ■■■■ work instead of getting better support for ccp… it just like early 2000 bs mining becuase there was no barges. Then 2009ish they remove the 3rd turret from hulk. Then 2010ish the promanship came out. Then 2018they nerf the rorqual becuase yey again the masses in null complain they were to tanky… ---
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/16 "2020-03-07T14:52:24Z")
Imagen a T3 propoise, or barge variant that you could customize to be more suitable for wh space… like extra high slot for probe launcher, or able to be to fight off potential gank attempts ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/17 "2020-03-07T15:06:55Z")
I dont think its needed, we have cov ops mining ships, we have high yield barges, we have a small boosting ship, a large boosting ship, and an extra large boosting ship. We could use a slightly larger more efficient gas harvester though ---
**Author:** ![Specailist\_Spex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specailist_spex/32/190731_2.png) [@Specailist\_Spex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specailist_Spex)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/18 "2020-03-07T15:09:48Z")
If you had a customized T3 bage with subsystems you could make a covert ops gas harvester that is design for this ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/19 "2020-03-07T15:18:05Z")
I dont think we need T3 mining ships, as balance is done there is T1 which is cheap and usually decent at certain things, T2 very specialized and almost useless for things outside its specialty, T3 very versatile, but not as strong in certain areas as T2. With mining ships their specilization as it stands is based on the hull, eg procurer is very tanky over the others. The T2 varients are just more powefull versions. I dont see how making a T3 mining ship that can do everything is a good idea and simply wont make it so the only ship worth flying would be this one. ---
**Author:** ![koiso\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koiso_phoenix/32/317745_2.png) [@koiso\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/koiso_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174/20 "2020-03-07T15:38:24Z")
lets be honest no one care about T3 mining anything unless the hordes of null-sec side with your idea. CCP only cares about the masses and if the mass doesn’t find fault in a pre-existing issue then it will never get change fix or added… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-t3-industrial-ships-for-low-nullsec-and-wh/224174.md?page=2)