# New Wardec mechanics - can't wait! **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378 "2018-06-21T14:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/442 "2018-06-27T08:45:53Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > You cannot give someone payback if it does not mean anything. Destroying a structure is not only not fun, adding to that the meaningless loss is also frustrating for those who want to pay back their attackers when the gankers laugh at them for wasting ISK or time on a meaningless structure. Some players are having fun with shooting structures. Dracvlad is an example of them. It’s just not what most players do. People then declare war for a lot of reasons. If that’s because of things said on a forum, in local or because of some bumping, a gank, a seemingly unfair fight in low-sec, … there is plenty of reasons for players to declare war. It’s outright stupid wanting to take this away from EVE and use it for a structure bash mini game. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/443 "2018-06-27T08:47:10Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > there is plenty of reasons for players to declare war. It’s outright stupid wanting to take this away from EVE and use it for a structure bash mini game. You don’t take anything away. In contrast, you add to this because more people would want to do this or would offer their services to do it in place of attacked victims. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/444 "2018-06-27T08:49:05Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > You don’t take anything away. In contrast, you add to this because more people would want to do this or would offer their services to do it in place of attacked victims. All I’ve seen suggested are restrictions on wardecs and tying them to structures. That’s a limitation and it takes away the freedom to declare war to anyone and to as many as you like. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/445 "2018-06-27T08:49:51Z")
> [@Nigbala\_Tareem](#): > > This in turn will put you in contact with an entity that can provide protection, which will require some, you know, contact with the community. I mean anyways, I avoid hisec like the plague, but there’s a lot of people in there who don’t want to come out of it because they have no reason to and even their desired experience is stunted by broken mechanics like wardecs. They do not want to come to low sec because they are either incapable of living there (CODE is a nice example) and/or do not want to deal with the bovine waste of politics. If that’s something you like, good for you. I stay away from it as much as possible because it is utter crap. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/446 "2018-06-27T08:50:04Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Some players are having fun with shooting structures. Dracvlad is an example of them Not what I said, I said I had fun with the battles around structures which were strategic objectives and that structures were not that much of an ordeal to shoot. When many hisec war deckers told me that they were boring and did not want to. Well yeah. > [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s just not what most players do. This is a war game you go after strategic objectives in a war game. > [@Whitehound](#): > > People then declare war for a lot of reasons. If that’s because of things said on a forum, in local or because of some bumping, a gank, a seemingly unfair fight in low-sec, … there is plenty of reasons for players to declare war. It’s outright stupid wanting to take this away from EVE and use it for a structure bash mini game. It does not take any of that away, you are crying over nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/447 "2018-06-27T08:50:48Z")
Talking about groups, I honestly think people could start being more interactive and banding together if the tools for group play would be easier to operate and understand, and there would be tutorial for each in game. For example how many people know you can assign numbers (tags) to the targets and they show for people in your fleet? When should you use it and why?? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/448 "2018-06-27T08:51:53Z")
But why would you restrict it like that? That would make mission running corps without out of corp structures (if they even needed those at all) immune to wars. That’s not what EVE needs. What EVE needs are big null sec blocks indefinitely under war dec so that they have to use alts or get farmed, and it needs valid reasons to use wars and mercs for more than just useless hub camping. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/449 "2018-06-27T08:54:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Not what I said … Come on, it’s what you’ve said. Don’t suddenly dodge this and resort to childish nonsense like saying I was crying. I’m only telling you when I could accuse you of crying, couldn’t I? So how about you grow up a little bit here and stop with the dumb talk? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/450 "2018-06-27T08:56:10Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > That would make mission running corps without out of corp structures (if they even needed those at all) immune to wars. They’re not immune to it now and when your idea makes them immune then that’s just worse. ---
**Author:** ![Nigbala\_Tareem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nigbala_tareem/32/75701_2.png) [@Nigbala\_Tareem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nigbala_Tareem)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/451 "2018-06-27T08:59:16Z")
“Denying docking rights from criminals and pirates in high sec is a wonderful way to put back a little bit of life and, above all, meaning into wars and mercenary services.” That would be a good thing also, yes, if all else fails or feels to radical. They will reroll alts and/or spike the concord badges things, but at least there’s some hassle ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/452 "2018-06-27T08:59:24Z")
My idea? It was your idea to allow wars only if the attacked party had a structure in space. > [@Whitehound](#): > > All I’ve seen suggested are restrictions on wardecs and tying them to structures. 🤔 My suggestion would not change anything regarding how wars work at all. It would merely provide a reason to use them more. > [@Nigbala\_Tareem](#): > > They will reroll alts and/or spike the concord badges things, but at least there’s some hassle It wouldn’t even be much of a hassle. CODE alone already uses at least 5 alt corps for scouting, structures and logistics. They already have everything in place. They are even bold enough to own a Fortizar in Uedama and no one opposes them. However, it would be a small stimulus to wars, low sec population and mercenary services. One of many steps to make those services more meaningful again. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/453 "2018-06-27T09:01:19Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Come on, it’s what you’ve said. Don’t suddenly dodge this and resort to childish nonsense like saying I was crying. I’m only telling you when I could accuse you of crying, couldn’t I? So how about you grow up a little bit here and stop with the dumb talk? Getting salty again, if you misrepresent people then expect to get a slap for it. I enjoy the battles around structures and I don’t think blowing them up is something to cry about and say that it is too boring that they don’t want to do it and then threaten to stop playing. It is all up there above in this thread. You believe I said that for some childish lack of reason on your part. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/454 "2018-06-27T09:01:22Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > My idea? It was your idea to allow wars only if the attacked party had a structure in space. No. You must have read something wrong. All I ever suggested was to introduce mini NPC corps or social corps for those who already live in NPC corps. They’re already immune. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/455 "2018-06-27T09:04:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Getting salty again You’re not on topic, you’re not discussing your suggestion and nobody is going to take you serious. You’re just a child now who gets ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/456 "2018-06-27T09:10:08Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You’re not on topic, you’re not discussing your suggestion and nobody is going to take you serious. You’re just a child now who gets ignored. Then ignore me, I would be quite happy for you to ignore me and misrepresent someone else in such a childish way. To start posting Dracvlad loves to structure bash is going off topic when it is quite clear that my objective is the battles around the structures. In this thread I laid out a proposal to add consequences to war decs which you have tried to obfuscate and misrepresent, and in doing so you have shown your complete lack of understanding on basic principals of warfare. So at this point I am expecting either you or one of the others to flag this thread and bring in the close thread hammer. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/457 "2018-06-27T09:11:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Then ignore me, I would be quite happy … Nobody cares, Dracvlad. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/458 "2018-06-27T09:12:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Nobody cares, Dracvlad. But you do, you can’t leave me alone can you, you reply to my posts, you talk about me in posts to other people, you are like a moth drawn to a light > [@Whitehound](#): > > Some players are having fun with shooting structures. Dracvlad is an example of them. It’s just not what most players do. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/459 "2018-06-27T10:42:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > But you do, you can’t leave me alone can you, you reply to my posts, you talk about me in posts to other people, you are like a moth drawn to a light I’m saying you’re having fun, which you said so yourself. Your words were “bloody gun fun” or something like that iirc. It’s as if you want to fault me for saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/460 "2018-06-27T10:42:40Z")
He does seem to have a fixation on you. Him and Dom\_Arkaral… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/461 "2018-06-27T10:51:23Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > He does seem to have a fixation on you. > > Him and Dom\_Arkaral… Post on topic and get even more people fixated on you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=24)