# New Wardec mechanics - can't wait! **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378 "2018-06-21T14:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/542 "2018-06-28T00:23:43Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Then how about we discard the flaws in full and just remove war? People can still PVP even without it. A device for gathering intel is something that you want to setup where you expect the enemy to be. You want it at the sun, at a moon, in an asteroid belt or at a jump gate so it can tell you about when someone is in the area. A device for controlling the war duration is something you want to setup where you don’t want your enemies to be. You don’t want them to get near it when you want control the duration. But when they get to it then it’s also the bait. It makes no sense to combine the bait with an intel gathering device, because you already know they’ll come for the bait. And you don’t want to set up the bait right where the enemy will find it. It’s like a door bell. A door bell doesn’t gather intel when it means people have to walk up to it and press the button. Do you understand this? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/543 "2018-06-28T00:32:09Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > A device for gathering intel is something that you want to setup where you expect the enemy to be. You want it at the sun, at a moon, in an asteroid belt or at a jump gate so it can tell you about when someone is in the area. > > A device for controlling the war duration is something you want to setup where you don’t want your enemies to be. You don’t want them to get near it when you want control the duration. But when they get to it then it’s also the bait. > > It makes no sense to combine the bait with an intel gathering device, because you already know they’ll come for the bait. And you don’t want to set up the bait right where the enemy will find it. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/c/ac9480b16de6ce8394c45b680cf7acffac687d14.jpg) Benefit - intel gathering device that initiates war. Cost - requires fuel Risk - device itself. Your choice to deploy it or not. Don’t want to fight a war? Don’t initiate it. Don’t want to pay the fuel cost? End the war. Don’t want to risk the device at all? Don’t risk it then. All player decisions. Repeated and changed and then repeated again until the objective changes so that your strawman works to change the topic. I have seen you change the topic so many times that I can see you repeating it again and again. Like this one: > [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s like a door bell. A door bell doesn’t gather intel when it means people have to walk up to it and press the button. > > Do you understand this? A doorbell does gather info. Usually willing information given. A security alarm also gathers info. Usually information you WANT the people to not have. Both have an effect. Both can be combined. ADT actually makes a buck out of it. But would you like to change the topic again? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/544 "2018-06-28T00:36:49Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > A doorbell does gather info. A child might think so. Do you want to fight wars or play whack-a-mole? If all you want is to fight over strategic objectives then join the militia. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/545 "2018-06-28T00:40:44Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > A child might think so. Do you want to fight wars or play whack-a-mole? > > If all you want is to fight over strategic objectives then join the militia. Did you just notice you confirmed that you wanted to change the topic again? We’re not talking about faction warfare. But you’d prefer to because you can beat that topic. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/546 "2018-06-28T00:41:43Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Did you just notice you confirmed that you wanted to change the topic again? > > We’re not talking about faction warfare. But you’d prefer to because you can beat that topic. I’m saying it’s already in the game. Just needs you to sign up to the militia. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/547 "2018-06-28T00:45:46Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I’m saying it’s already in the game. Just needs you to sign up to the militia. And I’m saying that isn’t what we’re discussing and you know it. It’s why you try to shift the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/548 "2018-06-28T00:47:27Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > And I’m saying that isn’t what we’re discussing and you know it. It’s why you try to shift the topic. No, it’s exactly what we are discussing. And when you cannot keep up and don’t ask questions then it’s also not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/549 "2018-06-28T00:51:20Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No, it’s exactly what we are discussing. And when you cannot keep up and don’t ask questions then it’s also not my problem. The topic is not faction warfare. Faction warfare is another topic. Changing the topic to faction warfare isn’t going to change corp vs corp warfare. You know what we call putting something up that isn’t what the topic is? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/a/ca6fe80d2607920dc35f5421f67cedd862ab0c70.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/550 "2018-06-28T00:52:17Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > The topic is not faction warfare. Your suggestion makes it into it. Stop wasting time on horsing around. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/551 "2018-06-28T00:53:51Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Your suggestions makes it into it. Stop wasting time on horsing around. > **[Tu quoque](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)** > > Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/; Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest known use of the term in the English language. The (... I’d love to talk about the adjustment but you’d prefer to change it into something else and then claim someone is off topic besides yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/552 "2018-06-28T01:01:58Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > I’d love to talk about the adjustment but you’d prefer to change it into something else and then claim someone is off topic besides yourself. No. You horse around and post pictures on what you think I do instead of discussing what I’m saying to you. I’m going to bed here again. You can use the time to follow my suggestion of making it into two devices, to think it through and what it means for the players when you mash it up. Or do horse around some more. It’s your choice, I cannot make you discuss what you’re trying to avoid, can I? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/553 "2018-06-28T01:05:31Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s your choice, I cannot make you discuss what you’re trying to avoid, can I? Funny… > [@Whitehound](#): > > Just needs you to sign up to the militia. I could say… > [@Whitehound](#): > > Do you want to fight wars or play whack-a-mole? Someone wanted… > [@Whitehound](#): > > Vanilla icecream is great, burgers are great, but putting vanilla icecream on a burger… that’s just what kids want, and that’s what you’re trying to do here I’m afraid. Wanted to change the topic… > [@Whitehound](#): > > Sorry, but if you’re trying to drive out capitalism out of EVE then I’m just going to wish you good luck with that. 🤣 And has deflected off warfare… > [@Whitehound](#): > > Shut up. And wanted me to shut up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Boru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_boru/32/64941_2.png) [@Nico\_Boru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Boru)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/554 "2018-06-28T04:17:43Z")
ISD please close. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/555 "2018-06-28T06:06:43Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > And mercs have other stuff to do than to scour every chat channel in game for their prey lol If they are real (in-game) _mercs_ this would be their main job: stalking and hunting. THose who rarely leave trade hubs usually called “undock humpers”. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/556 "2018-06-28T07:57:43Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > A device for gathering intel is something that you want to setup where you expect the enemy to be. You want it at the sun, at a moon, in an asteroid belt or at a jump gate so it can tell you about when someone is in the area. > > A device for controlling the war duration is something you want to setup where you don’t want your enemies to be. You don’t want them to get near it when you want control the duration. But when they get to it then it’s also the bait. > > It makes no sense to combine the bait with an intel gathering device, because you already know they’ll come for the bait. And you don’t want to set up the bait right where the enemy will find it. > > It’s like a door bell. A door bell doesn’t gather intel when it means people have to walk up to it and press the button. > > Do you understand this? I told myself I would not intervene as I was trying to think out something else. But I have to say. **He is right**. It is a good thing most of the time to keep things lean and focused. And on that he is perfectly right, those are two functionalities that ask for two very different things, and thus should be made into two different objects. Although that does not mean an object combining the two couldn’t exist. But what you want first is two objects each doing one thing, and just one thing, well. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/557 "2018-06-28T08:00:45Z")
> [@Nico\_Boru](#): > > ISD please close. No. MinerArt still has a chance to learn something here. I’ve pointed out a flaw in his idea, to which his response is for the player to take it or leave it. It’s not how a discussion works. Only he is stuck, but not everybody else is. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/558 "2018-06-28T08:19:00Z")
390 posts later, as I said, Sgankers will deliberately sabotage any attempt to discuss/improve wardec mechanics. They are afraid any change will impact their operations/mechanics negatively. They have a zero-tolerance policy on this, and what seem to be certain dedicated posters whos only role here is to aggressively attack/derail/discredit by gangbanging anyone and anything that even remotely is related. Their post histories in this regard speak for themselves on that. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/559 "2018-06-28T10:17:59Z")
Pot meet kettle… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/560 "2018-06-28T12:04:23Z")
What if someone wants to join Center for Advanced Studies (of bacon) to roleplay a student studying (about bacon)? Why CCP doesnt allow equal rights to education (and bacon)? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/561 "2018-06-28T12:13:14Z")
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