# New Wardec mechanics - can't wait! **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378 "2018-06-21T14:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/622 "2018-06-29T06:50:35Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > It has predictable limits based on the amount of spaces that exist. Eve is just a bigger space. Would you say that your suggestion of tying the wardec timers to an anchored object in space forces a group of defenders into a very limited space in your version of high-sec wardecs in order to succeed? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/623 "2018-06-29T06:52:41Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Would you say that your suggestion of tying the wardec timers to an anchored object in space forces a group of defenders into a very limited space in your version of high-sec wardecs in order to succeed? No. They have multiple options. Evade by hiding, playing alts, hire mercenary to fight the target in question, find the target in question themselves, hit the enemy ships themselves, and all the current meta that is allowed to deal with War Decs. Sorry, won’t read your next question until I return from work. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/624 "2018-06-29T06:56:43Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > No. They have multiple options. Evade by hiding, playing alts, hire mercenary to fight the target in question, find the target in question themselves, hit the enemy ships themselves, and all the current meta that is allowed to deal with War Decs. We already have this in the game with blanket wardecs. I’m asking specifically about the part involving the change. I already know that you think of docking games as a sort of Whack-A-Mole. I’m interested to know if you can see that tying wardecs to an object in space only further promotes a Whack-A-Mole game-play. I’m not asking for all the different other types of game play, because we obviously already have them. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/625 "2018-06-29T06:58:32Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I already know that you think of docking games as a sort of Whack-A-Mole. I’m interested to know if you can see that tying wardecs to an object in space only further promotes a Whack-A-Mole game-play. I’m not asking for all the different other types of game play, because we obviously already have them. I am not changing the current meta of the game. Merely the ability to declare war stops being ISK and starts being and object you place in space. Goodbye, I’ll be late if I don’t go now. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/626 "2018-06-29T07:02:54Z")
You guys need to Get a Life™, or maybe talk to people IRL once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/627 "2018-06-29T07:04:31Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > I am not changing the current meta of the game. I’m afraid, but you are very much changing it and I would have assumed that a change is in fact something you wanted and therefore you’ve suggested it. Otherwise, why even change the game? Talk to you later… @Solstice_Projekt That’s a very good suggestion for when you don’t want to have a discussion on the forum. Why don’t you go ahead and we join you when we’re done here? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/628 "2018-06-29T07:25:21Z")
And thus another wardec change thread bites the dust. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/629 "2018-06-29T07:44:13Z")
@ISD_Buldath, @ISD_Fractal Could you do us a favor and please move this thread out of GD and into Features & Ideas? Or close it and let those who want to suggest changes make a new thread there. Either way would be good. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/630 "2018-06-29T08:04:58Z")
You talk about having a discussion but at the first opportunity you try to bury the thread? We are not done here, you obviously backpedaled on everything you said when I rightfully agreed with you when we were _constructively_ discussing the war and intel device. I will address your supposed point that those “stationary” objects are not needed. It’s so short-sighted it’s painful, and very much shows that you guys don’t even follow your own logic and principles. Hint: Structures are not the only “stationary” objects. ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/631 "2018-06-29T08:17:41Z")
War dec should lock all players into the dec for period of war. War costs and corporation creation need a price buff. Corporation creation should cost 500 plex and war declation 500m isk. No char over 90 days should be in a npc corp instead they should be placed into 1 of 4 deccable holding corps. Ps I am a pve player who has no interest in pvp but the ability for me to be immune from combat in highsec is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/632 "2018-06-29T08:27:28Z")
You are not immune from combat in high sec in an npc corp, you are only immune from war decs, Stop with the misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/633 "2018-06-29T08:30:17Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > You talk about having a discussion but at the first opportunity you try to bury the thread? In case this is a response to my request to ISD then I have to tell you that nobody is burring anything. We are obviously having a long discussion here. It is only because others are complaining about it that I’m asking for the thread to be moved. ISD then also sometimes closes threads due to their increasing length and they then suggest for us to open a new one in the appropriate forum section. It’s merely what they do and all I’m doing is to ask them kindly for assistance. That’s all and there’s no need to get worried. ISD is here to help. ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/634 "2018-06-29T08:30:23Z")
Ah so preventing players escaping war decs is no big problem. Loophole should have been closed years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/635 "2018-06-29T08:41:11Z")
You want somebody dead bad enough, you don’t need a war dec. War decs are safety measures for pussies afraid of Concord, nothing more. Grow a pair, or rely on war decs for safe ( clarification: no coloring books will be handed out to you, though ) ganking. Your choice. I just got blown up an hour ago. In high sec. While in an npc corp. By a suicide ganker. Again, grow a pair. ---
**Author:** ![Sukara\_Vespara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sukara_vespara/32/67617_2.png) [@Sukara\_Vespara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sukara_Vespara)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/636 "2018-06-29T09:02:45Z")
Oh come on…so now war decs aren’t needed because suicide ganking exists? So please tell me how you plan to suicide gank a citadel? Or back in the day, a POS? Or the opposing fleet if you were in RvB? Suicide ganking is completely unrelated to wardecs, other than the fact that it’s an equally unpopular hisec game mechanic. Seriously, a character with precisely one entry on it’s killboard (the aforementioned loss) is trying to tell people to grow a pair? Kinda suspicious that your only ever loss is a tech 2 mining barge just before posting this message…does that smell ever so slightly fishy to anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/637 "2018-06-29T09:03:11Z")
Grow a a pair I am asking for an end to war evasion and hiding in npc corps but I need to grow a pair. I am a pve player who is saying the options for me to gob off and then hide in high sec is a joke. I think ccp and a small amount of the player base need to grow a pair. It is nullsec f1 monkeys who hide behind local and keep much of their assets hidden behind high sec npc corps that need to grow a pair. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/638 "2018-06-29T09:06:27Z")
> [@Sukara\_Vespara](#): > > …does that smell ever so slightly fishy to anyone else? Could be you’re smelling his “pair”. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/639 "2018-06-29T09:07:16Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > That is a presumption, and not a question. Blanket war decs currently are used by gate campers as a version of Whack-A-Mole waiting for a target to appear and to shoot. In effect you are asking why Whack-A-Mole is what I want to replace Whack-A-Mole with. That is so true, lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/640 "2018-06-29T09:08:00Z")
If you smell fish, it’s likely your upper lip. Because I’ve been lucky until now doesn’t make anything suspicious, except maybe your intelligence level. Also take note, the ganker was in an npc corp as well and yet, had no problem killing me. You idgits only want war decs unavoidable so you can dec every single person you see in the game with impunity while being protected from big bad Concord. You want to gank with no risk. Pussy. Suck it up, buttercup. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/641 "2018-06-29T09:13:14Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > [@MinerArt](#): > > > > That is a presumption, and not a question. Blanket war decs currently are used by gate campers as a version of Whack-A-Mole waiting for a target to appear and to shoot. In effect you are asking why Whack-A-Mole is what I want to replace Whack-A-Mole with. > > That is so true, lmao. You might think so and that’s ok when you do, Dracvlad, but then you’re saying that your suggestion is also not a change. You might as well then be honest what it is you really want, because the longer this discussion goes and the more often you evade the true nature of your change the more likely this thread is going to get closed due to the stagnation in the discussion. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=31) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=33)