# New Wardec mechanics - can't wait! **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378 "2018-06-21T14:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/722 "2018-06-30T12:53:07Z")
> [@gnshadowninja](#): > > Sorted. Nope, my comments here are based on a being in hisec for an extended period and seeing the impact your blanket war decs have, and also the view of a very uninterested nullsec alliance. It is not sorted at all, apart from in your own mind. That should also sort out this snippet of angst: > [@Sukara\_Vespara](#): > > Then why have you got such a raging boner for this thread? @Sukara_Vespara Got it? I have already explained this to you earlier in the thread when you missed the fact that I had spent three years in hisec out of the last five. Maybe you need to have your memory tested? > [@gnshadowninja](#): > > I could write im going to Macdonalds and you would think it was emotional, your a little touchy looking at your replies. When people resort to saying come and hit me in game, that is emotive… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/723 "2018-06-30T13:16:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When people resort to saying come and hit me in game, that is emotive… It is possible he might just want to play the game. It is a PvP game… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/724 "2018-06-30T13:17:17Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It is possible he might just want to play the game. It is a PvP game… Well he is quite welcome to come to Catch? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/725 "2018-06-30T13:19:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well he is quite welcome to come to Catch? The plot thickens … ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/726 "2018-06-30T13:41:40Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > The plot thickens … Like custard? ---
**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/727 "2018-06-30T13:43:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When people resort to saying come and hit me in game, that is emotive… Not really, just pointing out that your opinion is created by your own ignorance. You choose to ignore war decs because: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are totally boring as content, I would not even bother to pass wind in the direction of most war deckers as it is so utterly pointless. Which results in: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You want it left as it is because it enables you to farm almost totally risk free. You seem intelligent, I don’t know why i have to break it down to explain stuff to show i’m not being ‘emotional’. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/728 "2018-06-30T14:00:58Z")
> [@gnshadowninja](#): > > Not really, just pointing out that your opinion is created by your own ignorance. You choose to ignore war decs because: Well when in hisec after one war dec I just watched them for a couple of days, worked out when they had the least cover and then proceeded to mess with the guy farming kills unsupported on the Jita undock and reduced his kill rate to almost nothing for three days. They did not renew the war dec. So I am ignorant, or am I able to apply higher level strategies? I have tried pushing people in hisec and nullsec to go after war deckers and that is the answer I get given. > [@gnshadowninja](#): > > You seem intelligent, I don’t know why i have to break it down to explain stuff to show i’m not being ‘emotional’. Well when people say that sort of thing they can be, as you were not, I apologize for saying that. By the way you were one of the war deckers that I watched directly for a while operating, just so you know… Kinda funny that… ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/729 "2018-06-30T14:31:25Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > Also what is the problem with having reinforcement out of attacking? There isn’t unless you’re looking to say this is bad without reinforcement, but when you include reinforcement it’s also bad. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/730 "2018-06-30T14:49:45Z")
> [@Sukara\_Vespara](#): > > It’s a pipedream that this will change anything. Wardec defenders will not bother with the structures because they either can’t (i.e. they’re not strong enough), or can’t be bothered. > > This thread is a waste of bandwidth to be perfectly honest As I expected. Most of you guys are useless. High-sec will be changed. You know this. You are only making sure your voice won’t be taken into account by supporting the status-quo, shooting down propositions to change it, _and more importantly by proposing nothing on your side_. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/731 "2018-06-30T15:01:21Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You want it left as it is because it enables you to farm almost totally risk free. You need to be brutally honest rather than sugar coating the statement. It is not “almost totally risk free” but is completely risk free to declare war. Everything else already exists in the game without war. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/732 "2018-06-30T15:07:14Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > You need to be brutally honest rather than sugar coating the statement. It is not “almost totally risk free” but is completely risk free to declare war. Everything else already exists in the game without war. But isn’t this the point? There is no reward from declaring war. Thus no need for risk. And the actual fighting part has it’s own risk-vs-reward model. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/733 "2018-06-30T15:07:50Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > But isn’t this the point? There is no reward from declaring war. Thus no need for risk. And the actual fighting part has it’s own risk-vs-reward model. There is a reward for declaring war. You don’t get concorded. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/734 "2018-06-30T15:10:45Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > There is no reward from declaring war. Then why do you do it? An even better question, why do you think people go to war in general? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/735 "2018-06-30T15:11:20Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > There is a reward for declaring war. You don’t get concorded. No. CONCORD is a punishment and you still get punishment when you attack the wrong ships. Nor does the war declaration remove the punishment only for the aggressor, but for both parties. So there is still no reward. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/736 "2018-06-30T15:11:37Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > Then why do you do it? > > An even better question, why do you think people go to war in general? Changing the topic again? Did we not go over this before when you place a strawman and loaded question? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/737 "2018-06-30T15:15:20Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No. CONCORD is a punishment and you still get punishment when you attack the wrong ships. Nor does the war declaration remove the punishment only for the aggressor, but for both parties. So there is still no reward. Half truth. Concord is a punishment device that doesn’t actually care about when you fight in null space. As such the attacker wishes to attack without Concord blowing them up. The defender does not get a choice on this. You are paying for Concord to not interfere in the fighting. This is a removal of risk for you. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/738 "2018-06-30T15:18:37Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > This is a removal of risk for you. No. The punishment is removed for both sides. What you perceive as a reward is a placebo effect. Nobody gets more or less than the other side. Whatever benefit you see for yourself counts just as much as for the other side and so there cannot be a benefit. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/739 "2018-06-30T15:20:08Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No. The punishment is removed for both sides. What you perceive as a reward is a placebo effect. Nobody gets more or less than the other side. Whatever benefit you see for yourself counts just as much as for the other side and so there cannot be a benefit. As I said… You are paying for Concord to not interfere. This is a penalty to the defender who doesn’t wish to fight. Not a reward. This is not going to change because you deny that a defender might want that Concord protection. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/740 "2018-06-30T15:24:31Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > This is not going to change because you deny that a defender might want that Concord protection. No. The moment you’ve joined a player corporation have you also signed up for corporate warfare. You don’t want an irremovable CONCORD protection. But when you do want this, which is fair, then you’ve only made a mistake and need to go back into an NPC corporation. Now I know this gets the discussion back to the start, but maybe you want a different type of corporation. One where you don’t have to sit in an NPC corporation, but where you can be on your own and with your friends, and not get exposed to corporate warfare. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378/741 "2018-06-30T15:33:10Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No. The moment you’ve joined a player corporation have you also signed up for corporate warfare. You do not want an irremovable CONCORD protection. The risk of creating a corporation in general is not a substitution for someone declaring that on my side by my choice you lose a benefit. It would be like deleting your ability to post at the cost of my ability to post. You don’t gain anything and I pay the cost for you not posting forever. The silence and strawman argument would remain forever un-responded to. > [@Whitehound](#): > > But when you do want this, which is fair, then you’ve only made a mistake and need to go back into an NPC corporation. That would be arguing we don’t need corporations for any purpose in the game and should convert all players into npc war and non-war status. > [@Whitehound](#): > > Now I know this gets the discussion back to the start, but maybe you want a different type of corporation. One where you don’t have to sit in an NPC corporation, but where you can be on your own and with your friends, and not get exposed to corporate warfare. So we’re discussing faction warfare for you again? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-wardec-mechanics-cant-wait/84378.md?page=38)