# \[News\] CONCORD Inner Circle Meeting to Discuss Ship Disappearances, Colonel Valkanir Attending **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2018, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640 "2018-10-07T08:44:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/1 "2018-10-07T08:44:56Z")
As we all know [CONCORD’s Inner Circle is reported to be meeting to discuss the recent spate of ship disappearances across a broad swathe of New Eden from the Aridia to Molden Heath regions.](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/) During this meeting Colonel Kasiha Valkanir plans to present a [report](https://twitter.com/concordvalkanir/status/1048282975979356162) on those disappearances. We can sefely asume that the report will mention about the [transcript](https://twitter.com/concordvalkanir/status/1045354479531552768) released by CONCORD that part mentions something about boarding: > We’re being boarded. [redacted] infantry have breached our defences and are now attempting to… Does the boarding involved only that one ship in Molden Heath or most of not all of the disappearances. The source in this news article mentions something about countermeasures: > A single source, claiming familiarity with Colonel Valkanir’s areas of competence, has suggested that the DED officer will recommend new spacelane security measures for the regions bordering zero security space. Elements within CONCORD want to implement a new spacelane security measures to prevent those boarding actions from the party that CONCORD has been unwilling to reveal yet. How will this pan out we will see in the coming months. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/2 "2018-10-07T09:42:46Z")
It’ll be interesting to see what these ‘Spacelane security measures’ might be. It would also be nice if they just told us who these redacted infantry were, rather than stoking speculation as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/3 "2018-10-07T09:55:16Z")
> [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](#): > > coming months That will look like usual bureaucratic pace. Too slow. 😞 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/4 "2018-10-08T16:00:38Z")
> [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](#): > > Elements within CONCORD want to implement a new spacelane security measures to prevent those boarding actions from the party that CONCORD has been unwilling to reveal yet. Elements within CONCORD want to implement a new spacelane security measure… in Molden Heath? In Lowsec, where CONCORD doesn’t patrol? Just exactly _what_ does CONCORD think a bunch of CONCORD security measures that wouldn’t be in the places where this is happening would do to prevent it from happening in those places where it IS happening (where CONCORD is **not** )? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/5 "2018-10-08T16:44:12Z")
Lowsec is still empire space, which means it’s still under the oversight of CONCORD … them showing up, or not. From New Eden’s University galnet site … > **Directive Enforcement Department (DED)** > > The police enforcement arm of CONCORD. DED has the responsibility of tracking down known criminals and attacking criminal facilities. They frequently operate outside empire space, wanting criminals to understand that they are nowhere safe from the long arm of the law. So they’re still there, even outside of lowsec, and it’s not like they couldn’t declare all of lowsec highsec if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/6 "2018-10-08T16:50:34Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Lowsec is still empire space, which means it’s still under the oversight of CONCORD No, it’s still under the oversight of the empires. The simple fact that CONCORD doesn’t actually do things there (regardless of what they _say_) is why it’s lowsec in the first place. And if they were to simply ‘declare’ lowsec to be highsec, that would mean stretching their coverage thinner, requiring more of an operating budget, and probably piss off a number of the empires who _already_ regularly chafe at having to participate in the song-and-dance routine they’ve created in CONCORD. ---
**Author:** ![Esna\_Pitoojee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esna_pitoojee/32/100566_2.png) [@Esna\_Pitoojee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esna_Pitoojee)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/7 "2018-10-08T20:59:31Z")
You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between “actively responding to capsuleer aggression” and “within their purview”. Nobody is questioning that CONCORD does not deploy a response force or lock down capsuleer systems when we’re flagged in low-security space. But that hardly means that it is outside their realm of operations. I would remind you that CONCORD is an agency created for the stabilization of the empires and their baseliner populations; keeping us under control in the heartlands is only a portion of that. Spacelane patrol and safety measures extend far beyond rapid-response forces that handle capsuleer aggression in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/8 "2018-10-08T21:11:05Z")
And I’d remind you that there is no evidence of CONCORD activity beyond the edges of Highsec, beyond ‘they said so’. Outside of highsec, their wardec system is irrelevant. Their standings system applies only as database entries, where they watch what you do, and make a note for what happens when you _do_ come within the space they actually care about, or collect the rent for nullsec. Let’s actually _see_ them do something before we go believing them when they tell us they’re going to be doing something. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/9 "2018-10-09T06:36:08Z")
So the suspect flag isn’t punishment by CONCORD, but by the empires? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/10 "2018-10-09T06:41:15Z")
The suspect flag is nothing outside of highsec. It is an entry in a database, as I said, and means nothing in space where anyone can already shoot you without repercussion. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/11 "2018-10-09T08:28:31Z")
Oh I have a better one, actually … You lose security status in lowsec for certain actions, and that’s because _who_ punishes you for doing them? ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/12 "2018-10-09T09:23:19Z")
And the destruction of capital ship being transported from null sec without their consent does not count? ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/13 "2018-10-09T14:36:31Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > You lose security status in lowsec for certain actions, and that’s because _who_ punishes you for doing them? > [@Arrendis](#): > > Their standings system applies only as database entries, where they watch what you do, and make a note for what happens when you _do_ come within the space they actually care about Seriously. Your ‘better one’ is _literally_ the example of their ineffectiveness that I’d already given. > [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](#): > > And the destruction of capital ship being transported from null sec without their consent does not count? That destruction took place where? At _whose_ hands? All CONCORD did was move them, with new experimental technology that should worry the hell out of everyone. Because once tech _exists_, people will find a way to _get_ it. Do you want to see the Sansha able to pluck your ship out of known space into one of their conversion centers? ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/14 "2018-10-09T14:39:32Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And I’d remind you that there is no evidence of CONCORD activity beyond the edges of Highsec, beyond ‘they said so’. I was answering to this. CONCORD can, have and will again act beyond the edge of HS. the question of the tech in itself is an other question, and on this, I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/15 "2018-10-09T14:44:23Z")
I really can’t look at that as them ‘doing’ anything out there. It’s like saying that if you drain out a clogged sink by opening the pipe, you were _in_ the sink. You just did something that temporarily affected that spot. But we can consider that an edge case, if you like. Let’s see if they do it _consistently_ enough to consider it more than just a freak outlier. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/16 "2018-10-09T15:25:47Z")
Wow, you ■■■■■ a lot about this. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Do you want to see the Sansha able to pluck your ship out of known space into one of their conversion centers? Maybe we should destroy all technology, because it could be used by people you think shouldn’t be using it! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/17 "2018-10-09T15:33:02Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Wow, you ■■■■■ a lot about this. Wait, so… because I _answered_ you, I ■■■■■ a lot? Or is it because I pointed out that your second attempt was exactly the thing your first attempt was a _response_ to? I mean, it’s a discussion. We respond to one another. If you object to people having a discussion… you’re free to not participate. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Maybe we should destroy all technology, because it could be used by people you think shouldn’t be using it! Well, let’s look at this for a moment. First, I think there’s a legitimate case to be made about the idea that just because we _can_ develop a technology, that doesn’t mean we automatically _should_. It’s not unreasonable to ask ‘are we, as a species, ready for this to be out there?’ Second, do you think the Sansha **should** have the ability to pluck your ship out of known space at a whim, and deliver it wherever they want, so they can stuff your head full of implants and make you part of the hive mind? I mean, if you don’t like me objecting to that idea, that’s fine I guess, but it sort of implies you’d be totally cool with everyone here getting made into drones. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/18 "2018-10-09T15:46:08Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Elements within CONCORD want to implement a new spacelane security measure… in Molden Heath? In Lowsec, where CONCORD doesn’t patrol? > > Just exactly _what_ does CONCORD think a bunch of CONCORD security measures that wouldn’t be in the places where this is happening would do to prevent it from happening in those places where it IS happening (where CONCORD is **not** )? > [@Arrendis](#): > > Wait, so… because I _answered_ you, I ■■■■■ a lot? Well … I responded to your bitching, soooooo… 😃 > [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s not unreasonable to ask ‘are we, as a species, ready for this to be out there?’ I actually agree with you, but … > [@Arrendis](#): > > Second, do you think the Sansha **should** have the ability to pluck your ship out of known space at a whim, and deliver it wherever they want, so they can stuff your head full of implants and make you part of the hive mind? Usually when new technology is being discovered, there’s also a lot of research being done into developing counter-measures. Turrets were there before shields and bigger armor to protect from turrets. Target-locking gave birth to ECM. Improvements in tracking lead to the development of tracking disruptors. I think you’re overreacting out of fear of the unknown. Personally I am far more interested in what CONCORD is going to do about it and if it will be oppressive to capsuleers eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/19 "2018-10-09T15:52:48Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Turrets were there before shields and bigger armor to protect from turrets. Turrets (movable gun emplacements) do not pre-date building thicker walls (armor). > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > I think you’re overreacting out of fear of the unknown. That doesn’t answer the question: > [@Arrendis](#): > > do you think the Sansha **should** have the ability to pluck your ship out of known space at a whim, and deliver it wherever they want, so they can stuff your head full of implants and make you part of the hive mind? Because really, it’s not the _unknown_ I worry about, it’s the _known_… cuz I know humanity is a fetid cesspit of vile, maladjusted hate and fear, always has been, and always will be. Wanna know what someone’ll do? Imagine the worst thing they _could_ do, and prepare for that… then consider better options. You may not need all the preparations all the time, but the 70-80% of the time you do, you’ll have them. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640/20 "2018-10-09T18:30:26Z")
So … Arrendis? I don’t know how I know this (though I can guess), but if you think CONCORD has no presence outside highsec you should try taking some work for the pirate factions. For probably the same reason I also know that outside highsec, or at least in null, their ships are far more manageable, which probably says something about the nature of the tools the deploy to take down ciminal-flagged ships in highsec. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-concord-inner-circle-meeting-to-discuss-ship-disappearances-colonel-valkanir-attending/111640.md?page=2)