# \[news\] Republic Fleet Requests CONCORD Help in Search for Missing Ship in Molden Heath **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867 "2018-09-20T16:40:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/21 "2018-09-21T18:33:48Z")
Hm. That… is an _extremely_ unlikely confluence of circumstances. A wormhole just _happens_ to show up linking the systems where the Sanmatar and the Empress are? I’ve seen incredible coincidences with wormholes before… like a Thera hole just _happening_ to open into 2O9G-D not ten minutes before Darkness’ first Keepstar finished anchoring, as if the universe wanted to make sure the PL pilots living in Thera could help out if needed… but this? This is a whole extra level of ‘astronomically low odds’. Something… is _up_. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/22 "2018-09-21T19:54:25Z")
Quite. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/23 "2018-09-21T20:17:39Z")
Do you guys know just how many K to K wormholes open every single day? There’s so fuckin’ many of them around that they resemble an ever-shifting network of super highways across New Eden. They’re _everywhere_ and damn near reliable in terms of usefulness. It just “happens” to show up linking those two systems? Yeah, that’s not ‘astronomically low odds’ at all. Of course, when those two are involved you never know what might be going on, but those two having either WH generating tech, or access to someone who does seems rather far fetched at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/24 "2018-09-21T20:20:59Z")
A wormhole showing up linking those particular system? Not terribly unlikely. A wormhole showing up linking those particular systems _while_ the Empress is in a system she does not normally occupy? Yeah. That kinda crushes the odds. And the only one who’s said anything about either of _them_ being behind it… is you. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/25 "2018-09-21T20:23:20Z")
I’m sure the implication was non-existent. More importantly, the odds are exactly the same no matter who happens to be in the systems. Those wormholes open and close daily across all of New Eden and the only reason anyone even raised an eyebrow this time was that these two happened to be in those locations. There’s nothing unlikely about this. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/26 "2018-09-21T20:25:44Z")
I’m sure anything I say will carry all sorts of implications when read by you. Frankly, it gets old. And yes, the odds of 1 thing happening remain exactly the same. The odds of 2 things happening in conjunction, in a certain order, are not the same as the odds of the second thing happening. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/27 "2018-09-21T20:28:15Z")
Well, there was a wormhole in a system I was in today. There were someone on the other side. … should we stop the presses? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/28 "2018-09-21T20:33:49Z")
You can if you’d like. I’ve long since learned the futility of trying to offer you suggestions on what to do. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/29 "2018-09-21T21:53:23Z")
I once had wormhole from Amarr space directly nearly to Jita, just when I needed it. Not without a reason I keep a lucky furrier’s foot on board of my ship. ---
**Author:** ![Stig\_Elendil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stig_elendil/32/469789_2.png) [@Stig\_Elendil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stig_Elendil)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/30 "2018-09-23T14:04:24Z")
Anything found ? Simple curiosity from me but is the colonel Kasiha Valkanir related to Nefantar tribe chief Eleca Valkanir ? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/31 "2018-09-23T15:19:14Z")
Well, she’s Ammatar, so they’re likely members/descended from members of the same Clan, but how tenuous that connection is, you probably have to ask them. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/32 "2018-09-23T20:17:30Z")
She’s Sebiestor, so probably not related. ---
**Author:** ![Jian\_Mira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jian_mira/32/509519_2.png) [@Jian\_Mira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jian_Mira)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/33 "2018-09-23T22:04:34Z")
sounds like a gank trap lol ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/34 "2018-09-24T01:14:25Z")
> [@Annisir\_Kaugan](#): > > She’s Sebiestor, so probably not related. [“Colonel Valkanir is a career officer with the DED but the Scope’s sources note that **she served for many years with the marine corps of the Ammatar Fleet** , taking part in the notorious Vindication Wars between the Mandate and Minmatar Republic.”](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/) She may have _some_ Sebiestor ancestry, but she’s Ammatar. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/37 "2018-09-24T08:49:44Z")
Or she’s just Sebiestor. There are plenty of ethnic Sebiestor that live in the Mandate. Ammatar is a nationality, it’s not just ethnic Nefantar. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/38 "2018-09-24T12:09:13Z")
Ammatar _specifically_ refers to Nefantar loyal to their Amarrian masters. Ammatar Mandate is a nation, a nationality if you want to call it that, that does have slaves of various ethnicities living inside it. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/39 "2018-09-24T12:33:04Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/40 "2018-09-24T16:00:48Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > Ammatar _specifically_ refers to Nefantar loyal to their Amarrian masters. Ammatar Mandate is a nation, a nationality if you want to call it that, that does have slaves of various ethnicities living inside it. Not every Nefantar loyal to Amarr is called Ammatar, only those that are part of the Mandate. And there are plenty of free people of non-ethnic-Nefantar origin living in the Mandate, not just slaves. My parents are free ethnic Sebiestor and they live in the Mandate. Yes, while the term originally arose referring to ethnic Nefantar (or ethnic Ammatar if you prefer) who were of the group that became the Mandate, it can today be used to refer to any citizen of the Mandate. Just like Amarr doesn’t just mean True Amarr and Khanid doesn’t just mean ethnic Khanid (when referring to residents of the Kingdom). . On topic, it’s a shame the ship wasn’t able to be found. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/41 "2018-09-24T16:40:55Z")
Current running theory is that the ship may have either been transported elsewhere, or that the last reported location wasn’t its final location when whatever incident occurred. Very simply, we have very little information at present. Signal Cartel’s net has been expanded, and its SAR group is still on it, though I’m unsure of how coordinated or broad their net is. We’re actively seeking more information via various channels. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867/42 "2018-09-24T16:41:08Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > On topic, it’s a shame the ship wasn’t able to be found. Yet. By CONCORD’s efforts. It’s been 4 days. I’ve spent longer sitting someplace cloaked. > [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Current running theory is that the ship may have either been transported elsewhere, or that the last reported location wasn’t its final location when whatever incident occurred. Or it is literally hanging out 200km off its last reported location with a cloak engaged, while the crew doesn’t want to go home for some idiotic reason, watching the searchers come and go. Likely? Not terribly. Possible? Yes. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/news-republic-fleet-requests-concord-help-in-search-for-missing-ship-in-molden-heath/107867.md?page=3)