# NFT's are Fundamentally a MLM-Type Scam Designed to Get You to Buy Crypto **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 22, 2022, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814 "2022-01-22T04:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/651 "2022-02-18T15:58:30Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > unfair advantage Might makes right. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/652 "2022-02-18T16:56:26Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Why do you even care anyway? You said you think all of crypto is a scam and I don’t think you’re ever going to be a miner. Because you are affirming things completely wrong. Your opinions are based on ignorance about basically everything you are talking about. You posts are basically BS. You claim that an ASIC contains GPU which is completely false. You claimed that ASIC “access to the blockchain” which is also completely false. You claim that GPU and chip designer don’t know/care about power consumption, while it’s the most important constrain in that domain. It’s obvious that you have zero knowledge on that topic, and a complete lack of intelligence to realize your ignorance, but you want to believe you know so you are an easy target for people setting up scams - you are the one genuinely transmitting the cancer in a community that someone else will know how to use, without even being able to realize the harm you do. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/653 "2022-02-18T17:28:15Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Your opinions are based on ignorance about basically everything you are talking about. So why did you not respond to the other part of this post? Because it is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/654 "2022-02-18T17:31:45Z")
Again, an argument from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/655 "2022-02-18T17:35:02Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I have educated myself and I am somewhat right, Intel have a BTC ASIC called the BZM1 (built in 7nm foundry) which currently does 137 T/H per 2.5KW Which appears to be the most energy efficient in the industry. The BZM2 is due to be revealed at the end of this month, I’m looking forward to see the specs. What is your response to that? oh of course you don’t have a response because it is factual and is more in line with what I’m saying. Go ahead and ignore facts as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/656 "2022-02-18T17:35:40Z")
Once more, an argument from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/657 "2022-02-18T17:36:17Z")
With no explanation as to how it is ignorant. you’re crap at talking. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/658 "2022-02-18T17:36:58Z")
educate yourself. Wikipedia has a page on what an argument from ignorance is. Since you relied so much on it before, I thought, you would know how to do it by yourself. Also it’s again a false quote. You are pretending I said something, which I did not. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/659 "2022-02-18T17:37:51Z")
That doesn’t explain how Intel managed to build a more efficient BTC ASIC. > [@Aaron](#): > > I think the likes of Nvidia/AMD could make a better more energy efficient BTC mining processor than the current ASIC’s once they have a full understanding of the BTC blockchain. Either that or the current BTC processor manufacturers need a better understanding of energy efficiency. You called this nonsense, > [@Aaron](#): > > I have educated myself and I am somewhat right, Intel have a BTC ASIC called the BZM1 (built in 7nm foundry) which currently does 137 T/H per 2.5KW Which appears to be the most energy efficient in the industry. The BZM2 is due to be revealed at the end of this month, I’m looking forward to see the specs. > > So I do think the likes of AMD/Nvidia and Intel/Samsung can help make BTC mining use less power in general. Also there were recent announcements that there will be BTC mining ASICs developed using a 5nm process, so we should hopefully see a further reduction in BTC ASIC power use and more performance. Then I posted that. Are you able to give an in-depth reason as to why what I was saying is nonsense, when it is factual that the usual GPU/CPU manufacturers can and have made a more efficient BTC mining ASIC? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/660 "2022-02-18T17:38:58Z")
But it proves, that you are making arguments from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/661 "2022-02-18T17:47:19Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > But it proves, that you are making arguments from ignorance. > [@Aaron](#): > > Are you able to give an in-depth reason as to why what I was saying is nonsense, when it is factual that the usual GPU/CPU manufacturers can and have made a more efficient BTC mining ASIC? You have no clue what you’re talking about. And how could you, you think it’s a scam and will never in your life do any mining. But you talk as if you’ve been mining since 2009. If that’s not ignorance I don’t know what is. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > but you want to believe you know so you are an easy target for people setting up scams - you are the one genuinely transmitting the cancer in a community that someone else will know how to use, without even being able to realize the harm you do. No Idea what deluded crap you’re typing here, lets try and make some sort of sense out of it. I believe what I can see, my mining pool delivers what they say they will daily. It is possible to be scammed out of bitcoin which is why one should only deal with properly registered crypto exchanges. Do not fall for the “Send me bitcoin and I’ll double it” tweet from Barrack Obama because it will just be some hacker whose accessed the celebrities twitter and sent the message. You think I’m an easy target for scammers yet I have been doing this crypto mining for almost 2 years and I have never been scammed. And you think I am transmitting a cancer? Don’t hate me, hate the game. I didn’t create BTC, nor did I create crypto, or GPU’s or ASICs, please direct your anger and frustration towards these people instead of me. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/662 "2022-02-18T18:14:47Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You have no clue what you’re talking about. No, you. You literally made completely stupid claims, that go against the definition of the terms you used. THAT is having no clue. When the meaning of the words you use is in opposition with what you try to make them say. eg when you claim that “general purpose” is the same as “application specific” while it literally means they have opposed goals. > [@Aaron](#): > > You think I’m an easy target for scammers yet I have been doing this crypto mining for almost 2 years and I have never been scammed. No better victims that someone who can’t realize he is being abused. > [@Aaron](#): > > And you think I am transmitting a cancer? It was an image. But yeah, you had no clue. Why would I hate the game ? You don’t even have a clue what this actually means, FFS. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/663 "2022-02-18T18:19:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No better victims that someone who can’t realize he is being abused. I certainly cant see it, and neither can the millions of other crypto miners in the world. BTC ASIC manufacturers can’s see it, and neither can intel. The real ones being abused are the ones in developing countries who lose absolutely everything when their currency looses all of it’s value. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/664 "2022-02-18T18:33:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Why would I hate the game ? Hate the fact that Crypto has a weakness where scammers can easily target you and steal your BTC if you’re not careful. Don’t hate the honest hard working people like me busy generating BTC and trying to make a living out of crypto. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/665 "2022-02-18T19:46:45Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Hate the fact that Crypto has a weakness where scammers can easily target you and steal your BTC if you’re not careful. That’s not hate. That’s recognizing a scam. something you are unable to. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/666 "2022-02-18T20:08:39Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Don’t hate the honest hard working people like me busy generating BTC and trying to make a living out of crypto There are also honest hard working people building tanks and trying to make a living out of weapon sales. Or honest casino workers doing hard work in casinos and trying to make a living out of someone gambling habits. I think I also heard someone sayion at one point that he is a honorable thief, only trying to make a living out of people with too much money. 😂 Peeps always having the best opinions about themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/667 "2022-02-18T20:15:45Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There are also honest hard working people building tanks and trying to make a living out of weapon sales. You want to compare a crypto asset which has so far helped people with a tank? erm..ok. You and other crypto haters here only seem to have bad comparisons and absolutely no factual reason why you think crypto is a scam. The world will just move on without you and your obsolete opinions about currency will be left in the past where they belong. I don’t know about you, but I need facts in order to believe something is a scam. People tend to go wrong when they believe/disbelieve something when no facts are present. Both of you have my full attention and you are free to explain to me where the scam is exactly, ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/668 "2022-02-18T20:28:02Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You and other crypto haters here only seem to have bad comparisons and absolutely no factual reason why you think crypto is a scam. The world will just move on without you and your obsolete opinions about currency will be left in the past where they belong. Says the one who believe that value is generated magically. You’re a delusional idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about, but you want to convince yourself and others that the scam you are in is not one. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/669 "2022-02-18T20:28:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Says the one who believe that value is generated magically. I spoke on this before, you don’t seem to understand what demand is and the clever people who supply it are. You don’t seem to understand people can demand anything they want and you are ignorant that the world demands; - A way for legal private transactions to take place - A new currency for citezens of developing nations where they won’t lose everything when their physical currency fails, a way to protect from inflation. - Steady and reliable passive income ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814/670 "2022-02-18T20:37:04Z")
Yeah you dodged the point a lot of times already. Like you just did again. Supply and demand does not generate value. It gives A value to something that GENERATES value. It can also give value to something that does NOT generate value (eg, art) , typically from speculation , so your answer is - again - a complete nonsense. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814.md?page=31) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nfts-are-fundamentally-a-mlm-type-scam-designed-to-get-you-to-buy-crypto/346814.md?page=33)