# No Downtime Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [December 2, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161 "2019-12-02T17:44:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/62 "2019-12-02T19:48:28Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Source for this claim? Get some better material to troll with, that crap has gotten old. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/63 "2019-12-02T19:49:17Z")
> [@MyLoudVoice](#): > > So for me this is an ideal transport moment. Move to LowSec just before the downtime and pick your valuable cargo up. Wait for the server to come back and move immediately back to HighSec. You rarely see more then 1 person. This is quite literally downtime-driven in-game behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/64 "2019-12-02T19:50:30Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > Here’s the thing. They are broken up onto many regional servers. So they can do it at locally quiet times. > > Anyhoo: Why is it being done on live? Because a test on a system which has 20+ K users connected at a time, is quite different from one which gets a couple of hundred. Things build up differently. Very much what Steve said. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/65 "2019-12-02T19:50:45Z")
From MS SQL to MySQL? You’ll have to forgive me, but I suspect those databases were pretty trivial. The tooling for management of MySQL databases, and management of execution plans is, umm, less good. _Maybe_ Postgres. But MySQL has some fairly really old bugs in it, which aren’t going to get fixes. ---
**Author:** ![Chribba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chribba/32/396873_2.png) [@Chribba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chribba)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/66 "2019-12-02T19:51:08Z")
You should have kept it a secret and just watched as people freak out when the servers did not go down! ---
**Author:** ![Ollie\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ollie_cesaille/32/171932_2.png) [@Ollie\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ollie_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/67 "2019-12-02T19:56:00Z")
Haven’t read everything but when I logged in around 12:10 today I was unable to see corp members in local or the corp channel 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ollie\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ollie_cesaille/32/171932_2.png) [@Ollie\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ollie_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/68 "2019-12-02T19:56:24Z")
I agree with this ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/69 "2019-12-02T19:56:38Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Where did CCP say it’ll happen “randomly” ? Yeah, we never said randomly. This is an experiment to find out where to focus our efforts. Once we have fixed the paint points and can run for 48 hours we **might** come up with this kind of a schedule: - Sunday – no downtime - Monday – downtime at 7 o’clock - Tuesday – downtime at 11 o’clock - Wednesday – no downtime - Thursday – downtime at 11 o’clock - Friday – no downtime - Saturday – downtime at 7 o’clock ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/70 "2019-12-02T19:57:34Z")
unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![Ollie\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ollie_cesaille/32/171932_2.png) [@Ollie\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ollie_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/71 "2019-12-02T19:58:54Z")
Sorry must have misread the OP. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/72 "2019-12-02T19:58:58Z")
> [@Sordina1](#): > > Probably last major update put into public. But data is probable bit dated. Mostly correct for the majority of the current cluster, which could be described as TQ Tech 3.3. We are due updating you on what has been happening recently. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/73 "2019-12-02T19:59:22Z")
We know that some things will be less than ideal, e.g., asteroid belts will probably be barren in the last 24 hours. ah, missed that line. thank you and I am a cuttle fish, not a vegetable m ---
**Author:** ![FC\_Convict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fc_convict/32/451520_2.png) [@FC\_Convict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FC_Convict)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/74 "2019-12-02T20:00:04Z")
We won’t be going for a random downtime. After this experiment it will revert to daily at the usual time but perhaps going forward we can have it less frequently. Maybe every few days, or just weekly. Whatever we end up with though DT itself will always occur at scheduled times so nobody gets surprised, although we won’t rule out having it at different times on different days to spread the pain around. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/75 "2019-12-02T20:02:23Z")
> [@Ollie\_Cesaille](#): > > Haven’t read everything but when I logged in around 12:10 today I was unable to see corp members in local or the corp channel Not related; interesting nevertheless since this is an issue that has happened once before and the first time it happened we had to reboot both the chat cluster and TQ. This time around we managed to resolve the issue while the TQ was live; so progress on fixing things without needing downtime/reboot. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/76 "2019-12-02T20:02:48Z")
> [@CCP\_Explorer](#): > > Yeah, we never said randomly. This is an experiment to find out where to focus our efforts. He is not getting my point, like usual, as he’s just miserable. What I was aiming at were a time without any daily downtime, which means whenever something breaks that could be fixed during the daily downtime in the past, it would mean a random downtime. I prefer predictability over unnecessary schedule adjustments. ---
**Author:** ![Roesjka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roesjka/32/248600_2.png) [@Roesjka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roesjka)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/77 "2019-12-02T20:03:12Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > From MS SQL to MySQL? > > You’ll have to forgive me, but I suspect those databases were pretty trivial. The tooling for management of MySQL databases, and management of execution plans is, umm, less good. > > _Maybe_ Postgres. But MySQL has some fairly really old bugs in it, which aren’t going to get fixes. I know mySQL wasn’t the best example now as MariaDB is damned better than mySQL ( I said I was old and retired ). Worked mostly with AIX 4 and 5, Solaris 10 and RHEL with Oracle DB’s in banking (very large environments). Postgres might be viable. ---
**Author:** ![FC\_Convict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fc_convict/32/451520_2.png) [@FC\_Convict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FC_Convict)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/78 "2019-12-02T20:04:24Z")
I played EVE in the Australian timezone for 15 years and I can tell you the timing of DT has been a major issue for players on that side of the world the entire time. It comes up frequently in discussions between AUTZ players in-game and at pub meetups etc, and every EVE Down Under and Fanfest usually has at least one player ask CCP when they’re going to delete DT, usually to a room full of cheers. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_explorer/32/385081_2.png) [@CCP\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/79 "2019-12-02T20:05:04Z")
> [@Roesjka](#): > > I know mySQL wasn’t the best example now as MariaDB is damned better than mySQL ( I said I was old and retired ). Worked mostly with AIX 4 and 5, Solaris 10 and RHEL with Oracle DB’s in banking (very large environments). Postgres might be viable. If we were to switch from MS SQL, then Postgres would be at the top of the list. ---
**Author:** ![Ollie\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ollie_cesaille/32/171932_2.png) [@Ollie\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ollie_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/80 "2019-12-02T20:05:13Z")
Thanks, yes someone earlier mention it was unrelated. I misread the OP and thought this had happened today 😕 which was why I thought I should mention it here. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161/81 "2019-12-02T20:06:25Z")
You have my sympathy, for having to work with Oracle. It’s a powerful database, but not a nice one. (source, 12 years as an Oracle DBA, now free) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-downtime-discussion-thread/204161.md?page=5)