# No Incentives to Group Up (PVE)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Missions\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-incentives-to-group-up-pve/216793 "2020-02-03T22:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-incentives-to-group-up-pve/216793/21 "2020-02-14T01:14:23Z")
Are you seriously this obsessed with following me everywhere and posting stupid replies? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > This value being ? Irrelevant. Nowhere did I claim any particular value, only that PvE has an endgame where you sufficiently optimize your farming and meaningful advancement stops. For example, in the mission progression you go from level 1 missions to level 2 missions, level 3 missions, level 4 missions, and finally optimized level 4 farming (or in rare cases level 5 missions). But eventually you reach your endgame and that is what you will do for the rest of your time as a mission farmer. This is in contrast with open-ended PvP goals like “conquer all of EVE”, where there’s no achievable endgame and there’s always more progress to make. > Remember that not everybody farms in fulltank rattles. I never said they did. When I bother doing missions at all I use a ship with a two slot tank, and the only reason I don’t use a one slot tank is that the stacking penalty makes further damage mods useless. And I’ve never even come close to dying with that ship. In fact, I can’t even imagine a scenario where I lose it without external factors (flying drunk, lag, etc) being the primary cause. And yes, obviously if you disconnect and fail to emergency warp out you can lose a ship. Sever problems apply to everything, there’s no point in trying to plan against them. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-incentives-to-group-up-pve/216793)._