# No relaxed Mining = Many less players? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 26, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478 "2019-09-26T14:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/144 "2019-10-19T05:22:49Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You’re confused in that case. > > I have never argued that afk cloaking is good other than as a way to stop ratters in null having too easy a life. > > As such, my stance on trigs is not only consistent, but identical. Miners were having too easy a life and the trigs have changed that. Sorry, this is nonsense. AFK cloaking is the epitome of low effort, low interaction and low attention. You are just trying to eat your cake and have it too. But nice try. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > And bad for those selling. > > Vice versa, higher prices is good for sellers. Having your competitors killed off is also good for sellers. Haulers and miners have been saying that about how ganking is good for years. The gankers have just been more npc like lately. Exactly high prices are neither good not bad. So writing that they are some how good is nonsense on stilts, glad you’ll get off those stilts. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s not roleplaying. AFK play is the ultimate endgoal of the bot, and AFK is thus a form of botting known as bot aspirancy. What you are doing _is_ roleplaying. 😛 But by all means keep blowing up stuff in HS. > [@Lfod\_Shi](#): > > No it isn’t, but it’s not playing either. Great lets log everyone off without any input from their keyboard or mouse after 5 minutes. Even people in station. 🙄 > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > That is good - we want many people playing the game, not many characters run by one person dominating the meta. Maybe you should go check out Eve Offline then. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/145 "2019-10-19T05:33:25Z")
It’s not roleplay if you sincerely believe James is the Saviour of High Sec, and you also believe that he was permabanned for the sins of the miners, but he arose in Halaima and ascended to Hek, and you further accept the mysterious Trinity of James 315, Currin Trading, and the New Halaima CODE of Conduct. It’s only roleplay if you don’t actually believe this, but everyone in CODE. does. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/146 "2019-10-19T11:03:44Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > AFK cloaking is the epitome of low effort, low interaction and low attention. And afk mining or ratting isn’t? To use your own argument: What does an afk cloaker gain whilst afk? > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Exactly high prices are neither good not bad. So writing that they are some how good is nonsense on stilts, glad you’ll get off those stilts. Like i said. Depends what your goal is. Keep in mind that in the real world, the vast majority of people are buyers and very few are sellers. You could argue i sell my time, but that doesn’t follow the same pricing rules. In eve however it’s very different. We are all a mix of self-employed sellers and buyers. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/147 "2019-10-19T15:49:12Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > @Nana_Skalski Could you give an example of making mining more fun? People always come with awesome expressions of “Make it more fun” then give examples like “Introduce Captches”… do you see the issue here, arethere any games where revies say “Awesome game, 5/5 the captchas are very immersive and interesting, definately reccomend!” If players had to fight the environment to mine, it would be much more engaging and (IMO) more fun: [Mining Overhaul: Actively Engaging](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-overhaul-actively-engaging/188503) I have since rethought some of my original ideas. I think moon asteroids should orbit around the center of the field and randomly emit AOE damage. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/148 "2019-10-19T15:56:07Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > My proposal to tackle the inattentive orca pilot would be to make killing drones, at least mining drones, a suspect level offense instead of criminal. I may also add a bit of toughening up to give a pilot a better shot at reeling them in. > > I do not understand the rationale behind why shooting drones is criminal in the first place, but I assume there is good reason and my not understanding it has prevented me from offering it as a serious suggestion. People shooting mining drones who go suspect rather than criminal can provoke a fight. The bar of entry is low, and the entrant could be conceivably in striking distance of the miners’ defenses, if they think to fit a point and use it before the instigator can pull a bait and switch. I like this idea. Players should be able to do more annoying things against eachother in HiSec that result in suspect flags rather than criminal flags. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/149 "2019-10-19T22:10:09Z")
I used to enjoy playing Clue. You would go around hunting clues, and then you would try to catch a suspect! We could do something like that in EVE. Every 24 hours, every player should get a free universal killright. You need merely click on another ship, and that ship will immediately start flashing yellow. This will generate more engaging content. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/150 "2019-10-20T05:59:07Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > And afk mining or ratting isn’t? No, not to the extent of AFK cloaking, aside from the Orca. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What does an afk cloaker gain whilst afk? To use your own words, “I have never argued that afk cloaking is good other than as a way to stop ratters in null having too easy a life.” > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Like i said. Depends what your goal is. CCP’s goal is a healthy economy and as such it is prices that reflect underlying market conditions and ■■■■ your feelilngs/wants/desires in game. ■■■■ them to death. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Keep in mind that in the real world, the vast majority of people are buyers and very few are sellers. You could argue i sell my time, but that doesn’t follow the same pricing rules. Okay…but then lower prices is better. Holy mother ■■■■… > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > In eve however it’s very different. We are all a mix of self-employed sellers and buyers. Are we? Do people who run missions or rat in NS sell much or do they just generate ISK? What about incursion runners? The point is prices should reflect underlying market conditions. Trying to jack up one price or another is idiotic ■■■■■■■■ I expect from moronic socialist who wanders around muttering into his drool cup. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/151 "2019-10-20T10:39:28Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Do people who run missions or rat in NS sell much or do they just generate ISK? What about incursion runners? LP stores, loot, officer/dead space items. Yeah they all sell stuff or have access to stuff they can sell. ---
**Author:** ![Lfod\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lfod_shi/32/376240_2.png) [@Lfod\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lfod_Shi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/152 "2019-10-20T15:32:10Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > > No it isn’t, but it’s not playing either. > > Great lets log everyone off without any input from their keyboard or mouse after 5 minutes. Even people in station. I said all that did I? ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/153 "2019-10-20T17:11:10Z")
> [@Lfod\_Shi](#): > > > Great lets log everyone off without any input from their keyboard or mouse after 5 minutes. Even people in station. > > I said all that did I? the fallacy in that is that bot programs move the mouse to click and input key commands ---
**Author:** ![Olorion\_Endergard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olorion_endergard/32/300165_2.png) [@Olorion\_Endergard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olorion_Endergard)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/154 "2019-10-22T16:38:32Z")
It’s a double edged sword…if you make mining more “interesting” by adding interactive mini-games and such then you also making it easier for miners to get ganked because they are distracted; and unlike exploration you’re in a ship that can’t escape as well as most exploration fits. This will in turn just cause more people to quit and furthering the decline of subs. I wish CCP would create 10 man sub-cap and 40 man restricted cap per side instanced PvP matchmaking so players can go and have real fights against other players whenever they feel like it. Create a ladder/ranking/reward system so that their is an actual in-game reward for PvP. TLDR; If this game is supposed to be PvP based why aren’t their more and easier ways to get to it? Rather than play “Miner Hunter” or “Gate Sitter” the game…and occasionally we bump into real PvP that is almost always one-sided. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/155 "2019-10-22T16:55:24Z")
> [@Olorion\_Endergard](#): > > TLDR; If this game is supposed to be PvP based why aren’t their more and easier ways to get to it? Rather than play “Miner Hunter” or “Gate Sitter” the game…and occasionally we bump into real PvP that is almost always one-sided. Maybe you just don’t understand how the game works? PvP in EvE is always one-sided. If it isn’t, both sides screwed up. Also the biggest part of PvP isn’t the combat, the outcome is most likely already decided before the fighting starts. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/156 "2019-10-22T17:10:23Z")
Read [www.minerbumping.com](http://www.minerbumping.com) if you want a spoiler as to who is going to win EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/157 "2019-10-22T18:03:07Z")
> [@Olorion\_Endergard](#): > > If this game is supposed to be PvP based why aren’t their more and easier ways to get to it? The only thing you have to do to get some pvp is undock and shoot somebody. How much simpler do you want it to be? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/158 "2019-10-22T20:11:30Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Words mean things, Nope. I don’t mean to be pedantic here, but no. Words do not have any intrinsic meaning, they have usages. I recall that when I was in grade school, it was quite popular to refer to something as “bad” if you in fact liked it and found it to be very good. What Aiko means when he refers to afk mining as a form of botting, is that the two can hardly be differentiated and therefore will be regarded as the same and dispatched with the same anti-matter ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/159 "2019-10-22T20:14:22Z")
Ah, I see what you mean. Jargon can be pretty confusing for someone who isn’t familiar with it. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/160 "2019-10-22T20:17:17Z")
The trick is to respond to what people mean rather than what they say. Pro-tip for all future discussions, everyone! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/161 "2019-10-22T20:20:06Z")
That’s gonna be difficult for me, I’m very straightforward in conversation and tend to misunderstand people a lot, especially when communicating via text. Trying to see any deeper meanings to someone’s words just makes the misunderstanding worse. 😓 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/162 "2019-10-22T20:50:50Z")
If you review the New Halaima CODE of Space Law, you will note that botting is an inclusive term which includes any activity which a reasonable agent might construe as bot aspirancy. In a similar fashion, mining is an inclusive term which includes any activity which a reasonable agent might construe as botting. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478/163 "2019-10-22T20:51:34Z")
I have spent a lot of effort on trying to figure out what people mean from what they say, and I can’t say that my success rate is as high as I’d like. I do reasonably well these days, but I am still sympathetic to the difficulty of interpreting people without automatically gaining knowledge of their culture and background. It gets easier, though, if you keep at it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-relaxed-mining-many-less-players/192478.md?page=9)