# No to Breacher Pods **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [October 27, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034 "2024-10-27T18:17:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/101 "2024-11-01T18:46:12Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > It’s ignoring resists, DPS scaling with target HP, ignoring evasion, which are flawed. Why is it flawed? It’s a new feature, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with the ability to bypass resistances. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > They could have done it without those. > They could have made it a high impact DoT without those flaws. Yes they could. But they didn’t. Instead they made the new weapon aside from a new DOT weapon also made a weapon that bypasses resistances. Again, I have not yet seen any argument why CCP cannot do that. > [@Syzygium](#): > > The flaw is in _ignoring resists_ and _base damage on a percentage of raw HP_. It’s really not that hard to understand. You _punish_ people for skilling if you do it that way. Yep, just like you punish someone for fitting EM resistances when the incoming damage is Thermal. I don’t see the difference, it just leads to new strategies to fit your ships. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/102 "2024-11-01T18:46:38Z")
I see, you’re just trolling now. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/103 "2024-11-01T18:46:55Z")
Again with the insults. Just because you disagree with me does not mean I am a liar or a troll. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/104 "2024-11-01T18:48:22Z")
You are claiming we did not answer exactly those questions before. We did. You are repeating the same nonsensical argument we already answered before “This iS nOT a PRoblem, this Is shAKing tHE mEta” That’s a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/105 "2024-11-01T18:49:24Z")
I agree that we’re at a stalemate and not going to progress, because you’re not presenting any arguments that convince me and neither am I convincing you. As a result I keep repeating the same things when you claim the same things, and you keep throwing insults and accusations, as usual. Please stop. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/106 "2024-11-01T18:50:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > because you’re not presenting any arguments that convince me and neither am I convincing you. I did it, you did not read them. You ignoring my argument is not me not presenting them. I explained you several times how it is a problem, you did not answer those messages. Instead you make up arguments that nobody but you presented, to fight a strawman. Now you keep trolling. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/107 "2024-11-01T18:51:01Z")
You can all debate the nuances of this until you are blue in the face, but the reality is that, between this forum and EVE Reddit, the idea of adding “breacher pods” has been received with overwhelmingly negative response… ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/108 "2024-11-01T18:58:04Z")
But of course, it makes ship improvement (total hp) a negative for a fleet. It’s like saying that people with more isk should be able to purchase less. Or that ships with more guns deal less damage (stacking penalty for guns ?). Its just a complete nonsense for anyone with a basic idea of balance. We already have signature radius to limit damage based on size. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/109 "2024-11-01T19:01:23Z")
with the pods having clones on them, i can see that as why they could ignore resistances and such considering it could be a batch of different kinds of clones infiltrating the ships. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/110 "2024-11-03T15:08:12Z")
> [@Julius\_Mordan](#): > > it doesn’t take resists into account, they are supposedly ‘‘breaching pods with soldiers inside’’ yet it hurts shields which makes no logical sense Agree, op and make no sense. Just like any other ammo, the shield should prevent the breacher pod from even touching the ship. So I’d say they’d need to whipe off the shield before then can successfuly shot the breacher pods. But then, one can argue that they would also need to break the armor… In the end, the internal damage is only to the structure. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/111 "2024-11-03T15:48:09Z")
Just FYI shield _is_ preventing the breacher pod from touching the ship. When it was initially announced I and many others suspected it would be percentage straight-to-hull damage, just like the Zarzakh effect that the idea is based on. It would completely bypass shield and armor, make shield and armor logi irrelevant and would even make self-repairs or any form of tank irrelevant. I’m glad they didn’t go that route. While the new weapon does indeed bypass ‘resistances’, it still has to go through shield and armor first before hitting hull, which means repairs in all forms are still useful against this weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/112 "2024-11-03T16:33:52Z")
I’d still like to see these live before making any final determination. ---
**Author:** ![Jandin\_Kobera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jandin_kobera/32/424353_2.png) [@Jandin\_Kobera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jandin_Kobera)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/113 "2024-11-03T17:47:37Z")
They should have to be aimed like a bomb. At least then you can feel bad when you miss and your boarding party coasts off into deep space until their life-support gives out. They should also send you increasingly frantic messages for help, until finally going silent. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/114 "2024-11-03T18:25:11Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > But of course, it makes ship improvement (total hp) a negative for a fleet. Only if they expect just Deathless ships. The ships that have that much buffer are mostly WH rolling ships or tanks for WH PVE content…in which case why have you not taken measures to ensure you don’t get suck up on? The ways you counter your hypothetical situations should happen before that ship gets within 6km range of you. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/115 "2024-11-03T18:51:45Z")
The measures against a covert cloaked ship warping to you being … ?? ---
**Author:** ![Cleo\_of\_Petra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cleo_of_petra/32/438534_2.png) [@Cleo\_of\_Petra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cleo_of_Petra)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/116 "2024-11-03T19:10:09Z")
Yes for Breacher Pods. They stick into ship then contingent invade ship take it down and see hip explode not so much OP when active module engage for overload rack to hull again pilots multiboxin. Is never accurate jump through New Eden! ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/117 "2024-11-03T19:10:29Z")
Having wormhole control before PVEing in the hole. When you see combat probes that aren’t yours…docking up. If you see unfriendlies in local, get safe. Moving fast. Just to name a few. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/118 "2024-11-03T19:13:35Z")
Why are you specifically talking about not being tackled, in a ws ? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/119 "2024-11-03T19:41:29Z")
You’re the one who let yourself get tackled, others take preventative measures. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034/120 "2024-11-03T19:49:01Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > The ships that have that much buffer are mostly WH rolling ships or tanks for WH PVE content Ehh.. what? No. Just No. WH PvE ships only have the minimal buffer required not to die to the rats Alpha and anything beyond goes to active tank or DPS (in a RR-doctrine). They are definitely _not_ max-buffer fitted. And Rolling ships can be fitted for CombatRolling or Speedrolling, where only the first type has a significant buffer tank, but again far from the max-buffer a FleetBS or FleetCommandship has. Those CovOps-Cloak BreacherPod ships are a threat for PVP-Ships (especially smaller gangs) not PvE ships. And you can do absolutely _nothing_ to prevent being hit, because the opponents (if they think they can beat you) will start the fight and while you are busy calling the targets suddenly such a breacherpod ship decloaks _right next to you_ and tag you with the bleeding damage. LONG before you can take it out. The 6km mean _nothing_ if that ship always can chose when to decloak and engage, and it will once you are tackled and webbed so you can’t get away. This “mechanic” wants to “shake up the meta” and make brawling attractive and counter logis? The _exact opposite_ is achieved. People will kite more and bring more logis, because that is the natural counter to the breacher-pod threats. staying away and constantly on high speeds so they have a very hard time hitting you with them and overreping so their damage gets insignificant. This mechanic just adds benefits to larger groups, while hurting smaller groups. And anyone who understands EVE combat can see this. It is a change into the _exact wrong direction_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-to-breacher-pods/466034.md?page=7)