# Noob Retention : Better Insurance **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 24, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728 "2022-10-24T14:18:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/21 "2022-10-24T14:33:35Z")
> [@Nova\_Wayout](#): > > All the efforts of CCP Marketing Like uh… those stupid hipster ads on You Tube that only play to people who have EvE installed? Those efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/22 "2022-10-24T14:34:16Z")
> [@Nova\_Wayout](#): > > You ARE CCP… If that is so, then you are doomed. 👸 ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/23 "2022-10-24T14:34:36Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If that is so, then you are doomed. You have done so before… ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/24 "2022-10-24T14:43:24Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Your tautology is based on a theory you havent proved. I should not have to prove the Obvious… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/25 "2022-10-24T14:44:56Z")
But it isnt obvious. Please explain to me the obvious part, as I seem to have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/26 "2022-10-24T14:46:54Z")
Your premise has _some_ merit, but the specific example is questionable. I’d hardly call someone doing small-gang PvP, flying force recons and losing 16 bill in a Jump Freighter a “noob”. Regardless, the idea of insuring the ‘total value lost’ (not just the hull) has been brought up before, but it has problems. How do you charge for the build since it changes? How do you keep cargo losses from being massively scammed? You say “better insurance” but give no details on how to work it. And linking it to “hours paid/played” just leads to people cycling alts and cashing in while the alt is new. Yes, we need new players to stay longer. No, higher insurance payouts for people flying Jump Freighters isn’t the way to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/27 "2022-10-24T14:48:41Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Please explain to me the obvious part, as I seem to have missed it. It’s not like you don’t know… So… The Need to retain noobs… is clearly not in anyone’s interest… ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/28 "2022-10-24T14:50:13Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You say “better insurance” but give no details on how to work it. I DON’T WORK for CCP… The numbers would be for them to work out anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/29 "2022-10-24T14:51:31Z")
Yeah ok as @Kezrai_Charzai has made my actual objections clearer than I have (and I still stand by the fact that the payout on free ships is already many times an improvement over nothing for actual new players), I don’t see the need to feed you any more, Alt-who-was-created-to-make-this-thread. ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/30 "2022-10-24T14:58:01Z")
This is **The Bottom Line** … Anyone who want’s to argue it… would be keeping with EVE tradition ( as shown in the graph ) ![Capture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/f/8/cf8e44f2d39be15fdbd216bf084f4a710738250b.png) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/31 "2022-10-24T14:58:58Z")
The player count decline reflects the removal of bots. This is good for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/32 "2022-10-24T14:59:59Z")
Said “newb” flies cyno falcons so that’s not a newbie, it’s a support alt. OP’s points, which are already silly, is not even backed by his own “evidence”. ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/33 "2022-10-24T15:02:15Z")
Look… I don’t work for CCP… Even if I had a stack of direct evidence… . The response here in the forum would still be the same… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/34 "2022-10-24T15:02:36Z")
So why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/36 "2022-10-24T15:03:55Z")
There’s someone who just needs to create threads. Thats not a problem, but having ones either not be the same old stuff and/or make sense isnt that easy. This is why I never make thread, and I dont mess around in the sensible ones. This is also why I have a reputation. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/37 "2022-10-24T15:03:58Z")
Are you ok? ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/38 "2022-10-24T15:05:13Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > This is also why I have a reputation. your acting like you matter ---
**Author:** ![Nova\_Wayout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nova_wayout/32/339466_2.png) [@Nova\_Wayout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nova_Wayout)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/39 "2022-10-24T15:05:44Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Are you ok? I just Miss the Good old days of Inbreeding Sister… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/40 "2022-10-24T15:05:52Z")
> **[Rhea | Nova Wayout | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/55327514/)** > > Nova Wayout (The Lezbian Institute) lost their Rhea in Iyen-Oursta (Sinq Laison). Final Blow by Natural CloneKiller (The Phoenix Rising) flying in a Machariel. Total Value: 7,717,259,215.53 ISK This isn’t about new players at all. > **[Charon | Nova Wayout | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/55266397/)** > > Nova Wayout (The Lezbian Institute) lost their Charon in Inoue (The Citadel). Final Blow by HellGate fr (Collapsed Out) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 1,314,450,048.03 ISK Nova is just mad cuz bad. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728/41 "2022-10-24T15:06:22Z")
I dont think that was called for. Not from some freshly squirted out alt. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/noob-retention-better-insurance/381728.md?page=3)