# Note from retired criminal **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 3, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/note-from-retired-criminal/21780 "2017-09-03T19:19:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 183
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Luttrell\_Khan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_luttrell_khan/32/148357_2.png) [@Marcus\_Luttrell\_Khan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Luttrell_Khan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/note-from-retired-criminal/21780/183 "2017-10-09T11:46:10Z")
> [@Brochan\_McLeod](#): > > The problem i do have with PvP in this game is that it can be forced upon you and the tasteless verbal ‘tearpulling’ that seems to belong with it. I’ve seen it up close a number of times and it has nothing to do with friendly banter. While in some cases that is warranted, I also believe that any and every player consents to PVP upon undocking any ship. Even CCP knows, as they’ve been ganked a few times. I think it is nice for those, if they do like ganking or whatever else (I guess what I’ve been doing the last couple days is referred to as ‘lowsec ganking’), to send their victim a mail explaining to them what happened and why (which many, many people, including gankers do). They just focus a lot more on the tears they get because that’s how this niche of gameplay gets content. I’d suggest reading the following topic if you wish to truly understand what the mindset of this small EVE player set is like: [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-samaritan-saving-up-for-my-first-super-fax-titan-through-elite-pvp-up-to-93-3b/11179/396](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-samaritan-saving-up-for-my-first-super-fax-titan-through-elite-pvp-up-to-93-3b/11179/396) It incorporates aspects of most, if not all, variations of highsec PVP, which, generically speaking, is the majority of the Crime & Punishment subsection. It may take a while to read, but there is lots of texts and even several videos showing how some of the processes happen. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/note-from-retired-criminal/21780)._