# Now that mining has been fixed and improved when will they do the same for L4 missions? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361 "2021-11-12T17:17:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/21 "2021-11-22T07:50:58Z")
You know, I really used to like hyperbolics but this forum has made me so so sick of them. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/22 "2021-11-22T11:07:08Z")
You will have 200% the amount of NPC’s, but with the new ammo you will have ~~100~~ 50% chance of wasting the bounty. Also, a select few lvl4 missions will include a Jita monument replica you need to shoot to finish the mission. _evil laughter_ ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/23 "2021-11-22T11:21:33Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > FFS please, for the love of whatever deity, leave lvl4 missions alone. CCP does not need to be shaking up the mission plexes. But … but … ! There’s ores in the mission DED sites! And it’s the ores that CCP claimed were removed from corresponding security zones. Low SP capsuleer’s favorite deploy-and-forget-boat (Vexor) even has a drone mining bonus. Sooner or later droneboaters might mine in the combat DED ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/24 "2021-11-22T11:23:44Z")
> [@Cara\_Lube](#): > > Maybe a new type of salvagedrones that do not attract rat-aggro. If drones wouldn’t pull rat aggro, you couldn’t run the talos burner with an untanked t1 cruiser any more as the Talos would be shooting you rather then your drones… and unlike the drones, they tend to hit cruisers. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/25 "2021-11-22T11:44:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ok Ill bite on that one; > > Command Cruisers, Command Destroyers etc will gain a “Military Core” or a Micro Bastion Module Noone uses those to rat. People rat with deploy-and-forget boats, namely - Vexor - Myrmidon - Dominix - Gila - Ishtar Sometimes you see Marauders, I guess by people who want ratting to be a bit more interactive, but are afraid of losing HACs / T3C while not paying attention, so they use their tankier CODE-Magnets instead. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Damage from all weapons is doubled, but with T1 guns its halfed again. > > All ships gain an Ammo Bay T1 weapons are useless for anything other then being upgraded to t2, or being sold to industrialists who upgrade them to T2. Even on a destroyer that undocks only to be suicided on a random stargate you wouldn’t put T1 guns, cause T2 are just so much better. But that doesn’t affect ratters, because ratters use drones and not guns. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Captials arent allowed weapons at all You don’t run npc missions with caps though, unless you’re baiting for pvp content. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im not sure what the military equivalent of compression is. Micro Jump Drives? Those micro jump field thingies? MTU / Mobile Depot specific cargoholds, and make them not be movable in regular cargoholds any more. MTUs can only be hauled by a new corvette variant that has to be constructed by players rather then being provided at any station for free, but otherwise has similar stats to the free corvette. Some missions/sites don’t have any decorations inside, so you need to deploy your MTU and have your Ishtar / Gila orbit it in order for the anchoring point of the droneboat not to get clapped by drones and your droneboat drifting away while you’re afk. You can’t have MTU bays in “industrials” because industrials are among the tankiest things in the game, so the hauler alt would just be left on grid (people w/o alt would eject it on grid and reship on their droneboat) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/26 "2021-11-22T11:51:56Z")
> [@Dukana\_Uk\_knock](#): > > Don’t forget: > > 1. Drones are stripped to 1/10th their current damage amount, even if they are T2 or faction; they are all the same damage. > 2. All drone damage/boosts are removed from all ships, and replaced with a module bonus that takes 80% of your CPU, and only works for your teammates Unlike the command ship proposition in the other post, this would one cause some people to cancel some subscriptions. Those who stay… would use auto-targeting missiles, while complaining about how much clickery it now is to restart cycling the launchers after they reloaded. > [@Dukana\_Uk\_knock](#): > > 1. T2 guns damaged are halved, but then graciously allowed a 30% bonus over T1 guns T2 guns don’t have a 30% DPS bonus over T1 guns, so this would be a buff. T2 guns advantage is to be able to load T2 ammunitions. > [@Dukana\_Uk\_knock](#): > > 1. Using anything but a faction gun/ammo combination will destroy 3/4ths of the item and salvage drops. Only Belt rats drop good amounts of loot, and those already got scarcity-ed. Although they can of cause get a second nerf. Salvage… Do people salvage? I did in the past, but usually ignoring the salvage and pew-pew-pewing more rats in the time that is saved results in more ISK/time. If you want to collect salvage, run some relic sites. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/27 "2021-11-22T11:55:40Z")
Mission system is I think the oldest thing that was not redesigned at all. There were small touchups like UI additions to see what mission you have, or changing agents to reduce the amount of divisions they are in. Maybe whats right now in the game is what they think is a pinnacle of game development. If they will try to redesign it, nobody guarantees they would not break it. So be happy what you have. But additional new l4 missions? Who knows… ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/28 "2021-11-22T12:14:13Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > But additional new l4 missions? Who knows… Well they _did_ introduce burner missions at some point, which is now a decade ago. And they updated the burner missions like 5 years ago. Maybe we get some cool stuff, such as clapping diamonds (invasion, incursion, mining fleets), messing with autothysians, retrieving wormhole-exclusive items, …, or lvl5 distribution/mining that is exclusive to lowsec? Introducting exploration missions would be cool, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/29 "2021-11-22T18:51:40Z")
Id explain what a joke is but it would probably be lost on you. Also you are wrong about several of your points. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/30 "2021-11-23T02:10:30Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > If they will try to redesign it, nobody guarantees they would not break it. So be happy what you have. This! L4’s are boring, now imagine boring and broken… ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/31 "2021-11-23T03:31:56Z")
Bad enough COSMOS are broken where GM’s can’t help with anything ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/now-that-mining-has-been-fixed-and-improved-when-will-they-do-the-same-for-l4-missions/336361/32 "2022-02-21T03:31:58Z")
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