# NPC corporation tax should be removed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 14, 2021, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027 "2021-01-14T10:36:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/285 "2021-01-20T16:49:13Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just because you answer to harassment by moving does not mean there was not harassment in the first place. > What is true, is that CCP won’t defend you if you don’t even try to avoid harassment in terms of gameplay. I don’t think that’s the case. This must be where you are getting confused. I’m pretty sure CCP said it’s not harassment unless the victim is being followed despite attempts to move away. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No it does not. If I hit you in the face, just because you can leave the place does not mean my act was not aggression. Aggression is not harassment. Nor is theft. Victim blaming is a wholly different kettle of fish. For one the whole point of eve is that you can and probably will encounter players who will try to kill you. What you’re now trying to call victim blaming is questioning a boxer that’s complaining they got punched during a match, or kid playing an fps complaining he got shot at by other players. Or do you think boxers punching eachother during a match is harassment too? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/286 "2021-01-20T17:05:18Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Victim blaming is a wholly different kettle of fish No, that’s the crux of your posts. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What you’re now trying to call victim blaming is No. Victim blaming is when you claim the nature of the act depends on the victim. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > is questioning a boxer that’s complaining they got punched Box is a violent sport. Just because it’s consensual violence does not make it less violent. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Or do you think boxers punching eachother during a match is harassment too? But yes it is ! That’s literally what you learn when boxing. random link about boxing : > **[Controlling Range and Rhythm](https://expertboxing.com/controlling-range-and-rhythm)** > > Establishing your range is crucial in boxing. Finding the range is often talked about in the art of boxing. You hear people comment all the time on how someone “has great range” or “knows how to get in and out of range” or “controls the fight”. But... > great for fighting shorter guys – harass them with my longer reach ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/287 "2021-01-20T17:39:48Z")
lol what? Now you are conflating two different meanings of harassment. harass _verb_ 1. subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation. 2. make repeated small-scale attacks on (an enemy). This whole time you’ve been talking about the second? And you think thats what CCP were talking about when they outlined the rules for harassment? You think thats why wardecs are ‘legal harassment’? because of the _SMALL-SCALE_ attacks? Jesus wept. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/288 "2021-01-20T17:53:50Z")
In neither of your definitions there is the need for the victim to make a move. So your claim about “if the victim” is wrong. What you are doing is victim blaming. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > This whole time you’ve been talking about the second? no. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You think thats why wardecs are ‘legal harassment’? AFAIK I did not affirm such a thing. Especially I told you that according to CCP wardecs are NOT considered harassment. However they make harassment legal. And that’s a reason for which they were used. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/289 "2021-01-20T18:20:32Z")
Daichi, you’re getting trolled so hard right now, lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/290 "2021-01-20T18:22:58Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > In neither of your definitions there is the need for the victim to make a move. Because it was CCP that made that distinction. A while back. I can’t find the link, only people referencing it like myself: > If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment. > If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment. [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3544863/#post3544863](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3544863/#post3544863) > [@Player Harassment](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassment/87342/12): > > Actually a couple of things you list there are harassment. If you make reasonable effort to get away from someone and they long term stalk you, that’s even given as a specific example of harassment. Sure camping you in to a station for a day doesn’t count nor would moving next door. But prolonged long distance campaigns do. It may have started out as [this](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/2535377/#post2535377) post, but i do believe, like the others, that it was extended to anything where if you persistently target the same person with any activity despite attempts to get away, it can fall under harassment. But if the victim makes no attempt to get away, it is not thought of as harassment. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/291 "2021-01-20T18:25:20Z")
I must be. Telling boxers that they should expect to be punched once in a while is apparently victim blaming. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/292 "2021-01-20T18:31:29Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I must be. Telling boxers that they should expect to be punched once in a while is apparently victim blaming. YOU are telling boxers the sport is no more violent and harassment techniques are no more harassment because they did not leave the ring. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > anything where if you persistently target the same person with any activity despite attempts to get away, it can fall under harassment. It IS harassment, and can fall under illegal harassment. Unless you are at war. Which was precisely my point : wardecs make illegal things legal. CCP are not telling you what is harassment ; they tell you what is legal or not. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/293 "2021-01-20T18:36:50Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I must be. Telling boxers that they should expect to be punched once in a while is apparently victim blaming. It’s the same bait that militant SJWs use to eliminate people and industries they dislike. They don’t try to convince anyone that something or someone is bad, as much as they try to convince impartial observers that they’re being negatively impacted by it. That’s how they got sports and competition out of schools (they make children feel inadequate when they lose), and ridiculous sexual harassment laws passed (you don’t need to harass someone, they just need to _feel_ like they’re harassed). Similarly, being attacked in EVE can be interpreted as “harassment” if you choose to do so; it doesn’t matter that PvP and competition is an integral part of the game. It trivializes the nature of the term being used for the sake of fulfilling a personal social agenda. Where I live (and I assume in most civilized places), harassment is a _necessarily criminal_ concept. Which means that it’s against the law. As far as the game goes, CCP defines the laws. This means that CCP defines the nature of this term in EVE, which they do quite well. But these people have co-opted the term to fulfill their needs, by extrapolating the concept of real-life criminal harassment to the virtual world of a consensual video game experience. Don’t fall for it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/294 "2021-01-20T18:38:05Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > YOU are telling boxers the sport is no more violent and harassment techniques are no more harassment because they did not leave the ring. I never said boxing wasn’t violent. Just that it wasn’t harassment. Thats why boxers don’t make harassment claims after a match. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It IS harassment, and can fall under illegal harassment. Unless you are at war. Which was precisely my point : wardecs make illegal things legal. > > CCP are not telling you what is harassment ; they tell you what is legal or not. So when CCP specifically said wardecs are not harassment…what do you think they meant? Why didn’t they just use the terms ‘legal’ and ‘not legal’ like you suggest. And…Why did you use the word ‘harassment’ when you meant aggression? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/295 "2021-01-20T18:41:33Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I never said boxing wasn’t violent. I never said that > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Telling boxers that they should expect to be punched once in a while is apparently victim blaming. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/296 "2021-01-20T18:42:16Z")
I see that the dictionary troll is up to its usual tricks… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/297 "2021-01-20T18:46:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > harassment is a _necessarily criminal_ concept. Which means that it’s against the law. As far as the game goes, CCP defines the laws. Pretty much this. Harassment, in the context of a game, is a very specific thing. This whole time Anderson meant wardecs make _ **aggression** _ legal. Well thanks…I look forward to the next update: _Water is melted ice._ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/298 "2021-01-20T18:46:40Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > YOU are telling boxers the sport is no more violent and harassment techniques are no more harassment because they did not leave the ring. > > I never said boxing wasn’t violent. Just that it wasn’t harassment. Thats why boxers don’t make harassment claims after a match. And don’t fall for the straw man either. Dictionary warriors will try to use this tactic where they switch up the term being used even though it had nothing to do with the initial argument, in order to try to confuse you. A: “getting punched in the face is harassment!” B: “sure, in some cases, but in a boxing match, it’s a part of the legitimate rule set” A: “violence is always harassment; just because a boxer agreed to being punched, doesn’t mean that they aren’t being harassed” B: “uh…hmm” The trick is to immediately point out that what goes on in the boxing ring doesn’t meet the definition of violence. You have to play their game. Pull out the dictionary and go to town on them. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/299 "2021-01-20T18:51:15Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The trick is to immediately point out that what goes on in the boxing ring doesn’t meet the definition of violence. So now you are telling me boxing is not a violent sport ? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > it’s a part of the legitimate rule set Except that this is literally my point : wardecs are used to make harassment legal. There was no strawman, just a statement. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/300 "2021-01-20T18:57:41Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > wardecs are used to make harassment legal. You mean aggression. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/301 "2021-01-20T19:06:30Z")
See what I mean? Just let it go TBH. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/302 "2021-01-20T19:11:42Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You mean aggression. No, I mean harassment. AFAIK there is no aggression that CCP forbids which becomes allowed under wars. unless maybe rookie griefing ; but this specific case is irrelevant to the topic, which was why did CCP consider the wars in their previous form had a bad impact on the game. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/303 "2021-01-20T19:16:04Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No, I mean harassment. AFAIK there is no aggression that CCP forbids which becomes allowed under wars. What harassment does CCP forbid that becomes allowed under wars? And i wonder…do you think GBH (Grievous bodily harm) becomes legal during a boxing match? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027/304 "2021-01-20T19:26:06Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What harassment does CCP forbid that becomes allowed under wars? The exact one that you gave a link for. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > And i wonder…do you think GBH (Grievous bodily harm) becomes legal during a boxing match? Unrelated. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/npc-corporation-tax-should-be-removed/290027.md?page=16)