# Null seck ess takes to much making ratting not worth it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 23, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312 "2020-11-23T07:25:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dethe\_Traiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dethe_traiel/32/241958_2.png) [@Dethe\_Traiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dethe_Traiel)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/21 "2020-11-25T01:00:42Z")
None… unless the ESS room mechanics forced a fight vs any incoming defenders… i.e if you and your fleet start looting, you are locked into the bubble until the rob is done. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/22 "2020-11-25T03:20:08Z")
Buy an ESS permit. For 100 million isk, I will not take your isk. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/23 "2020-11-25T03:23:18Z")
> [@Sharise\_Dragonstar](#): > > a pve fitted ship to optimise ratting I found the problem with your fit. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/24 "2020-11-25T08:02:17Z")
Right, so theres actually no encouragement here to increase PVP at all over the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/25 "2020-11-25T08:04:47Z")
Can you please give me a TL;DR? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/26 "2020-11-25T08:15:42Z")
Im just thinking that with this ESS thing, there’s no actual extra encouragement to PvP for anyone. Krabs wont, because they are krabs, thats a given. Ive been thinking of trying to steal the isk from some, but there is no advantage to me to make a PvP ship for it, when I can make one better for stealing and getting away instead. Im not sure if I can TL;DR this thought any more concisely. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/27 "2020-11-25T08:31:56Z")
Can I have your stuff because you don’t need it when you quit I even went trough the trouble of writing in your native language with no punctuation so you can understand my post and maybe handover that proper fit 350m to 450m ratting ishtar you wont need anymore because you are pist because CCP pushed you away standing by to receive da goods thank you ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/28 "2020-11-25T09:45:41Z")
I’m pretty sure CCP is aware that the carebears won’t be fighting for their ISK … … and that most other people won’t care about fighting for their ISK either. Why do people always believe the reasons and explanations CCP throws at them? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/29 "2020-11-25T10:55:15Z")
Because marketing isnt aimed at people who think a lot, is my guess ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/30 "2020-11-25T10:55:48Z")
Correct! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Chu-ANN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_chu-ann/32/224850_2.png) [@Mei\_Chu-ANN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Chu-ANN)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/31 "2020-11-26T21:02:07Z")
ESS has actually made null sec boring, you form go into ESS dudes are sitting 100KM away and warp off. I get the disruption part but putting it simply there is no point your either in the ESS with a second account capturing them on the warp in or it is 50/50 that they want to brawl or apply cancer. For what really as they dont achieve anything do not add to game play and do not even threaten your space. CCP is basically promoting NS to be as chaotic as LS which does not equal sandbox ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/32 "2020-11-26T21:37:54Z")
It is still a sandbox - you just don’t like the sand. ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Chu-ANN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_chu-ann/32/224850_2.png) [@Mei\_Chu-ANN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Chu-ANN)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/33 "2020-11-26T21:47:41Z")
No I dont like the sandbox that is suited for you as opposed to the peeps that made something out in Null. I could always flip and do the same thing with the same amount of impunity. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/34 "2020-11-26T21:58:48Z")
Cool. Better find another game then, Scrow. ---
**Author:** ![Sateen\_von\_Jager](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sateen_von_jager/32/237146_2.png) [@Sateen\_von\_Jager](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sateen_von_Jager)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/35 "2020-11-27T16:37:59Z")
Vote with your wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/36 "2020-11-29T09:46:21Z")
Target - Shoot - Get Bounty. Never try to reinvent the wheel, it will fail. EDIT: maybe I judged ESS too quickly let me find out some facts first. What is the % of bounty that goes into ESS? If it is a low % then I actually like this idea, and if the bounty has built up over days and months it might help promote more roaming fleets chasing ESS. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/37 "2020-11-29T10:02:10Z")
So protect your ISK in the ESS. Krab in ships that can PvP and warp to the ESS when a thief comes in. I do think that the jump range from the gate needs to be drastically reduced however… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/38 "2020-11-29T10:31:07Z")
Someone should have said that before “bounty” replaced “score” ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-seck-ess-takes-to-much-making-ratting-not-worth-it/281312/39 "2021-02-27T10:31:15Z")
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