# Nullsec Alliance Cowardice Ladder **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 31, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078 "2023-08-31T03:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/282 "2023-09-10T09:51:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Currently I’m working on entries for Absolute Honor/Will and some other null-sec alliances. But these require additional research so it will take a few days. I have some interesting intell on AO I gathered just before I went on my break , happy to send it to you , I’m sure your capable of getting all you need but if you do just ask. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/283 "2023-09-10T10:31:09Z")
Sure. Anything that will help me pad the content beyond raging about Altara for six paragraphs. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/284 "2023-09-10T11:37:10Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe CCP need to come up with objectives in a war , the attacker has task to complete to keep war running ,why defender has task to end it . This was the best solution: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I had also suggested putting up an observatory that enabled conflict at the level of a system, several systems or a region that was easy to destroy and easy to locate, but that one also got ignored, to me that was the best system and the neatest way to make it fun. But if you make it too artificial it will not work. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Just some ideas but like you said you need to be mindful of making anything boring, which eve can very easily slip into You get it. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/285 "2023-09-10T11:53:21Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I’m also a believer of getting people off their ass and doing stuff Speaking off which, how is your war against the gankers going? Oh wait, it isn’t. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/f/74f54a4a1605f6dd75f0d206f56d3f4273239d76.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/286 "2023-09-10T13:57:55Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > We did lose a few war HQs when we tried to do aggressive wars. Pretty much instantly. But we remove the holding corporation from the alliance when that happens. Ah…so if I don’t want lost war HQs on my killboard I just jiggle the alliance and corps so they have nothing to do with me and nobody can ever trace any connection. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/287 "2023-09-10T14:53:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Or make it so that a mutual war from a corp below a certain size cannot be declined if one’s own corp is above a certain size. Now you are starting to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/288 "2023-09-10T14:54:13Z")
Send it to me. 👸 > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe CCP need to come up with objectives in a war Why not let players make their own objectives? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/289 "2023-09-10T15:18:36Z")
Hmm, I will create my own version of this as: “you can drop the beat but can’t tell how the booties go” ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/290 "2023-09-10T15:19:53Z")
What you want the AO intel ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/291 "2023-09-10T15:21:04Z")
Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/292 "2023-09-10T15:22:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Why not let players make their own objectives? I support this, and would such objectives be just content in the player’s minds or would have a screen just like that new corporate objectives screen? > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe CCP need to come up with objectives in a war , the attacker has task to complete to keep war running ,why defender has task to end it I believe so, something like if the attacker has no structures, then losing ISK/ being poded/ etc are stratetic goals for the defender. I mean, a war HQ should not be the only option as war goal, right? Definitely, someday a group should have an honest brainstorm leaving aside any EVE bickering and come up with new valid war declarations and goals that contemplate corp size, alliance, structures, etc ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/293 "2023-09-10T15:27:04Z")
The best way to handle conflict is just let players PvP anyone they want. Why not? The strong will survive, the weak will not. Every player is capable of diplomacy, either befriending their enemies or making new friends to help them - any attempt to prevent a “free for all” simply eliminates the sandbox and reduces the game to stagnation. Attempts to prevent PvP are simply bad for the game. New players are not helpless little infants, they are adults who are perfectly capable of survival. Let the sandbox be a sandbox. By removing the possibility for one group to ‘bully’ another, you also remove the opportunity for underdogs to win. Overcoming challenge is the most enjoyable part of a game, and the elimination of challenge is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/294 "2023-09-10T15:37:02Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Now you are starting to understand. Most of my understanding of how Eve works comes from the forums. You can’t question dry, dusty, manuals. You and Destiny have been good teachers. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/295 "2023-09-10T15:41:54Z")
Npc null basically ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/296 "2023-09-10T16:20:57Z")
Sure, but all the targets are hiding in Highsec. CCP needs to nerf Highsec income and safety to encourage people to leave. Eliminating Highsec entirely would be a vast improvement. CONCORD should only exist in the starter systems. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/297 "2023-09-10T16:34:53Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > She wants freedom for small groups taking the fight against big groups in highsec, without having to worry about defending her own HQ So then why isn’t she in NPC null? No concord, no rules. Shoot whoever you want from a completely safe NPC station. Lots of players do it. The answer is, she likes hi sec. She is as comfortable in her own little risk matrix as everyone else, and thinks things should change to suit her. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/298 "2023-09-10T16:37:12Z")
There’s less risk for me in nullsec. The problem is that the existence of Highsec causes players to over-congregate in one region of space, to the detriment of other regions. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/299 "2023-09-10T22:57:36Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > So then why isn’t she in NPC null? You’re doing that “go to null-sec, where the _ **REAL** _ PvPers live!” carebear whine thing now. No, they _don’t._ There are more Goons in high-sec at any given time than there are in Delve. I’ve lived in NPC null. I have lots of assets in Stain, Venal, and Syndicate. It was nearly empty over a decade ago. Today, it’s even _less_ populated. What’s with this unreasonable fixation on sending players like me to areas of space where no one lives? How would that improve my time in EVE? You want me to fly through an empty region for hours, trying to catch the occasional random player who’s ratting in an Ishtar in some quiet backdoor constellation? They’ll just dock the moment they see me. What then? Should I be asking them for duels, like a bored level 80 outside the gates of Ogrimmar because their arena partner is offline? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/300 "2023-09-10T23:44:53Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > CCP needs to nerf Highsec income That’s why I’m a major proponent for removing all asteroid and ice belts, and moon mining and PI from high sec. I also believe that all level 3 and 4 missions should be moved to low. If people want a safe space, then the reward should match the -in this case, the lack of- risk. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/301 "2023-09-11T07:27:11Z")
Just getting back on track and as I did mention Absolute order/will or what ever incarnation Governor Lee is using, how is their position on the cowardice ladder. After offering the intel I have in them I did some checking on them and I see the alliance is growing quite large. Has anyone had direct solo combat with them , I did see them in small numbers getting involved in many parts of eve , never seen dedicated large fleets , like you do with other alliance’s and for all there numbers I only know our forum friend. Never seen Governor Lee or heard from him. I will dig out that intel when I have a minute [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=16)