# Nullsec Alliance Cowardice Ladder **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 31, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078 "2023-08-31T03:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/322 "2023-09-28T12:44:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > > > And since you don’t seem to like surprises, they will remain mysteries to you, lmao. > > Oh nooo, what am I going to do _now?_ > > The boomers and their desperate “I’m not crying, _you’re_ crying!” and “not gonna tell you anything, but just wait, you’ll see how wrong you are!” comments are the _absolute cringe._ > > You can tell right away who bought the entire barrel of that null-sec Kool-Aid, and now feels obligated to defend their purchase to anyone who gives it the side-eye. Also, it’s quite telling about the state of the game and its players that when presented with an ostensible villain, they will try to shame them instead of simply destroying them. In 2008, I wouldn’t be able to post this thread without getting permanently camped by a dozen battleships anywhere I went. Today, it’s “we don’t care because we’re too busy doing much more important null-sec things!” /me goes back to running the twenty-seventh DED for the day. Great post dude, seriously. Regarding the last portion of your post - so true. Such a difference between then and now. That mentality seems to permeate most if not all of “modern” culture. I’ll send a message in game with a suggestion for another alliance I’d love to hear your opinion on ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/323 "2023-09-28T12:47:50Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > keeping true to their suburbanite routines. > > Never lived in a city’s suburb. I come from and live in a small village. > All your posts in this forum contain nothing but grossly and obscenely exaggerated and insulting generalities made by, it seems, someone who’s never left his mom’s basement and spends all his time online bashing boomers, zoomers, Xers and other generational descriptives between two hotpockets and a bag of Doritos. Idk - i would argue the apparent neck beard characteristics are more easily attributed to other forum users than OP ---
**Author:** ![Tempestus\_Sortiris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tempestus_sortiris/32/374706_2.png) [@Tempestus\_Sortiris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tempestus_Sortiris)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/324 "2023-09-28T14:31:25Z")
Most wholesome interaction in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/325 "2023-09-28T15:53:11Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > neck beard characteristics I wasn’t thinking neckbeard as it’s too stereotypical for my taste. The emphasis was rather on gross exaggerations and a beef she seems to have with every lettered generation and also throwing around the word \*coward" is if she ran up Omaha Beach June 6 1944. And applying it to _All_ Nullsec because she can’t have her little one-man-vs-all war. Even Rambo couldn’t take on a Nullsec army by himself. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/326 "2023-09-28T18:57:42Z")
I personally would like to see midsec - 0.5-0.7 (or 0.8) status systems that only have faction police intervention toward criminal aggressors. It would have to be tweaked a bit though ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/327 "2023-09-28T19:55:02Z")
I mean, the post IS in the context of Eve online… nobody is talking about medal of honor recipients in real life type cowardice. Though I think one could make the argument there MAY be a some correlation between Eve online behavior and real life behavior in that regard… Further - it of course is impossible to defeat a massive nullsec coalition as one pilot. All one could do is be a nuisance. Turns out, that’s enough of a “defeat” for the blocs to deem it unfair. Idk, i find the premise of paying off the law, particularly CONCORD, in order to freely engage arbitrary opponents to be fundamentally flawed, and very silly. High sec should be pretty much perfectly safe aside from ganking. Mid sec should exist with a much softer law enforcement organization running protection (outside of players), and the other parts of space are fine. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/328 "2023-09-28T23:08:46Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > i find the premise of paying off the law, particularly CONCORD, in order to freely engage arbitrary opponents to be fundamentally flawed, and very silly. Bribing the police to look the other way doesn’t just exist in computer games and dystopian novels. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/329 "2023-09-29T05:42:15Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > Though I think one could make the argument there MAY be some correlation between Eve online behavior and real life behavior in that regard… More than “may” I would say. I mean the characters _are_ played by real players, even the ones that are party to multiboxing space operations. We can seperate EVE from reality only so far before the lines blur. The satisfaction of blowing up a clone out into space isn’t felt by the character but by the person playing it and CONCORD attacks when it attacks because real people decided when and where. The fantasy is always dependent on the the real world. > [@Phaade](#): > > Turns out, that’s enough of a “defeat” for the blocs to deem it unfair. Have they voiced their opinion on it ? Would the blocs pressure a CSM against one guy who attacks them? I haven’t read any cowardice in the descriptions she gave so far, only smart play. I doubt that a gang of warriors armed to the teeth who ignore some single ill-equipped out-of-his-mind squire who “dares” defy them would be considered cowards… more like merciful. > [@Phaade](#): > > Idk, i find the premise of paying off the law, particularly CONCORD, in order to freely engage arbitrary opponents to be fundamentally flawed and very silly Rules of engagement aren’t silly. Even a Sanbox game has to have some rules or why can’t the Null blocs invade Hisec, take it over ? They could also take Jita, Rens, Dodixie, Hek… and rule New Eden as _the_ Intergalactic Monetary Fund? Talk about salt then. CCP decided to have CONCORD as a sort of _Security Council_ for New Eden. It’s worked out well for two decades. Has anyone come up with a better alternative to CONCORD? > [@Phaade](#): > > High sec should be pretty much perfectly safe aside from ganking It _is_. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/330 "2023-09-29T08:36:28Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > there MAY be a some correlation between Eve online behavior and real life behavior Does Professor @Phaade have any evidence of this relationship between EVE and real life? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/9/1/89132e0dbffab366e45cd3d9051df757ce8b4bb3.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_BeerMonster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_beermonster/32/495729_2.png) [@Captain\_BeerMonster](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_BeerMonster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/331 "2023-09-29T12:46:26Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > We can seperate EVE from reality only so far before the lines blur. The satisfaction of blowing up a clone out into space isn’t felt by the character but by the person playing it and CONCORD attacks when it attacks because real people decided when and where. The fantasy is always dependent on the the real world. I think you need to come back to reality, then go outside and touch some grass. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/332 "2023-09-29T13:30:10Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > I’ll send a message in game with a suggestion for another alliance I’d love to hear your opinion on She’s been conspicuously absent from the game for a number of weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/333 "2023-09-29T13:48:03Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > I mean, the post IS in the context of Eve online… nobody is talking about medal of honor recipients in real life type cowardice. > > Though I think one could make the argument there MAY be a some correlation between Eve online behavior and real life behavior in that regard… What some call ‘cowardice’, others might simply call common sense. I mean, its not ‘cowardly’ to not jump into Jita in a corvette containing 30bn worth of implants. Everything in Eve is risk vs reward. Any risk has to be worth it, in terms of whatever gain or pleasure is obtained. Nobody ( other than a rare few ) _enjoys_ losing stuff or ISK. And I really don’t think anyone is going around Eve looking for the mythical ‘fair fight’. No…I want the fight to be as unfair ( in my advantage ) as possible. If the opponent wants a fair fight, they should undock in a better ship. I just weigh everything up. Sometimes one makes the wrong call…but it’s more a case of ‘what’s in this for me ?’ than a case of backing out from ‘cowardice’. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/334 "2023-09-29T14:14:42Z")
Yeah that’s true, but it wouldn’t be available to all capsuleers for what would amount to pennies. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/335 "2023-09-29T14:18:45Z")
Anecdotal, obviously. But i think there would be a correlation between say your average marine or army infantry guy versus the guy who is so petrified of losing a t1 cruiser that they are unwilling to even undock it unless it’s 10 vs 1. Just saying ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/336 "2023-09-29T14:22:08Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > > [@Phaade](#): > > > > I mean, the post IS in the context of Eve online… nobody is talking about medal of honor recipients in real life type cowardice. > > > > Though I think one could make the argument there MAY be a some correlation between Eve online behavior and real life behavior in that regard… > > . > > And I really don’t think anyone is going around Eve looking for the mythical ‘fair fight’. No…I want the fight to be as unfair ( in my advantage ) as possible. If the opponent wants a fair fight, they should undock in a better ship. > > I just weigh everything up. Sometimes one makes the wrong call…but it’s more a case of ‘what’s in this for me ?’ than a case of backing out from ‘cowardice’. Yeah i don’t agree. I am always looking for fair fights and so are many others. Because they are _fun_ There are far more, however, who fly the same as you. And frankly, we generally view that as cowardice. Because fundamentally it is, even if you won’t admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/337 "2023-09-29T14:29:36Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > And frankly, we generally view that as cowardice Who is „we“. Most people I know who look for 1v1s or specific kinds of conflict don’t have this self righteous mindset about it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/338 "2023-09-29T14:39:53Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > I am always looking for fair fights and so are many others. Because they are _fun_ But unless you have a ship scanner you actually have no idea how ‘fair’ any fight is going to be. I have Alpha noobs flying round in 400 DPS Praxis with T1 weapons. I also have chars who can fly 1300 DPS Praxis with T2 lasers and drones and far greater range. Without a scanner you have no idea which one you are meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/339 "2023-09-29T14:41:10Z")
So what? 1v1 is good enough, unfortunately it is also increasingly rare ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/340 "2023-09-29T14:44:16Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > [@Phaade](#): > > > > And frankly, we generally view that as cowardice > > Who is „we“. > > Most people I know who look for 1v1s or specific kinds of conflict don’t have this self righteous mindset about it. It is what it is. The ball draggers are built a little differently 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/341 "2023-09-29T14:51:45Z")
The same as „miners“? They’re pretty big into „some PvP are only for cowards“ too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=18)