# Nullsec Alliance Cowardice Ladder **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 31, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078 "2023-08-31T03:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/403 "2023-10-18T14:08:14Z")
Sir pls, the killboard is not even part of the game. It is the amount of mining permits you sell the only thing that matters ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/404 "2023-10-18T14:25:32Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > Sir pls, the killboard is not even part of the game. Which is kinda crazy isn’t it. A PvP game with no score board, leader board, generally available battle board, individual rankings, corp rankings, or indeed anything that would demarcate a ‘win’ or at least ’ doing better than…’ ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/405 "2023-10-18T15:11:14Z")
So, there is a “win” condition to EvE, which means that a P2W mechanic is quite possible. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/406 "2023-10-18T15:20:59Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > the amount of mining permits you sell the only thing that matters Speaking off which, does she have a mining permit? > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > there is a “win” condition to EvE AIKO has already won EVE. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/e/3dec5ee2cd4caec89fceffbc00879e7ae31a04a1.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/407 "2023-10-18T15:22:59Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > So, there is a “win” condition to EvE Isn’t that the very definition of player _versus_ player ? In mean the whole ‘versus’ thing generally implies that someone wins…both in individual fights and cumulatively. As for P2W…its not that there is no winning but that paying is no guarantee of winning. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/408 "2023-10-18T15:26:17Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Speaking off which, does she have a mining permit? Any demand for a mining permit would be met with a sentence ending in the word ‘…sideways’ ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/410 "2023-10-18T21:06:26Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Speaking off which, does she have a mining permit? Yes has she got a mining permit we want to know. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Any demand for a mining permit would be met with a sentence ending in the word ‘…sideways’ Many deny having one. Only really because it shows they are in fact miners . I think mining permits should be part of the game and show up on your permanent record ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/411 "2023-10-19T01:12:46Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I think mining permits should be part of the game and show up on your permanent record There’s over 3000 highsec systems. They’d have to actually _find_ my miner before asking for any permit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/412 "2023-10-19T15:06:15Z")
So I was right , just look for an AO off shoot and I’m sure they could find you . ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/413 "2023-10-19T17:12:54Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I’m sure they could find you Well you see @Githany_Red , she is hiding but nobody cares. # [Assholes Online](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Asshole) A group of [contemptious](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=contempt) “capsuleers” who go around doing cruel and intentional stuff, simply to piss other people off. These individuals get off on this and are obviously deeply insecure and have nothing better to do.. It’s [all fun and games](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=all%20fun%20and%20games), until the Asshole says the wrong thing to the [wrong person](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wrong%20person). -“That Asshole was making fun of that newbie in an [ibis](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20wheelchair) who had no legs..” -“Yeah, did you see [Altara](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Barry) pop his [ibis](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=head%20off) after?” by [Zaera Keena](https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Lucifer%20is%20my%20bitch) October 19, 2023 ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/414 "2023-10-19T19:32:52Z")
Characters used to have a high score next to their portrait in the form of a bounty. You could tell who the really good players were because they had a high bounty. I’m still a little pissed off that CCP deleted my bounties. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/415 "2023-10-19T19:39:15Z")
> [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](#): > > You could tell who the really good players were because they had a high bounty Nobody told you that they put it on themselves? Well atleast I did, made me look **REALLY SCARY**. 👹👹👹 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/416 "2023-10-19T20:18:35Z")
I got the standard code bounty with some zeros at the end 315,000 I think it was Talking of 315 , do you see Aiko is in trouble with Mr Lee , I wouder how that went . What’s more interesting is why did the AO member think he had some exemption from being ganked 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/417 "2023-10-19T21:10:35Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > she is hiding but nobody cares. Just another example of petty criminals getting away with it while the cops arrest people for looking at a pigeon in a funny manner. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/418 "2023-10-19T21:15:48Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > looking at a pigeon in a funny manner Eeewww. ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/419 "2023-10-20T00:35:32Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Nah…my view is that killboard not only matters but is the _only_ thing that matters in Eve. I don’t see any other reason for playing. Nobody cares or even knows how much ISK I have. Nobody cares how much I mine or how much I haul or what big fancy ships I can spin in dock or intentionally loiter in with a ’ look at me…I’ve got a Paladin’ stance. Nobody cares about your KB either man. Nobody cares about KBs beyond an intel tool. I remember when your KB used to be checked as part of the recruitment process. Now it’s just for lulz. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/420 "2023-10-20T00:47:59Z")
Something that ‘nobody cares about’ sure gets quoted and referenced a lot 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/421 "2023-10-20T01:15:31Z")
Only person I saw yammering about KBs as if they mattered post 2015 is you. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/422 "2023-10-20T01:28:03Z")
Nonsense. KBs are mentioned here regularly. Barely a thread goes by without someone’s killboard being brought up. It’s even mentioned _in the opening post of this very thread_…on which you say nobody cares about killboards… lol !! Now that _is_ embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/423 "2023-10-20T01:46:52Z")
> [@Nabi\_Kim](#): > > Only person I saw yammering about KBs as if they mattered post 2015 is you. What’s the date got to do with it , many PvP groups go out their way to make their kB look good . When people go on about what a great pvper they are what do we do check kB, when you fly into a sys and you come across a stranger what do you do. Of course they still matter , obviously if you personally think they are for lol then that’s fine , I don’t think it’s great for the game but it’s there and is good intelligence , it’s a great way to spot grieffers and ass hats . [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078.md?page=22)