# Nullsec Alliance Cowardice Ladder **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 31, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078 "2023-08-31T03:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/484 "2023-10-23T18:54:47Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > The point _is_ the win. Who cares if anybody knows? I know you do You completely miss the point. The in-game kill thingy _only_ shows kills where one got the ‘final shot’. An absurd and arbitrary metric. There’s no way I would ever know, from the in-game ‘kills’, that I’d been _involved_ in 422 kills. Of course most of Eve don’t know or care…but within the context of Eve itself I _don’t even know myself_ 95% of what I have been involved in…lol. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/485 "2023-10-23T18:58:58Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The in-game kill thingy _only_ shows kills where one got the ‘final shot’. Oh? We’re not discussing zKillboard anymore? Where is it that you got the idea I was talking about the in-game kill list? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/486 "2023-10-23T19:31:09Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > Oh? We’re not discussing zKillboard anymore? > > Where is it that you got the idea I was talking about the in-game kill list? The pathetic uselessness of the in-game system is precisely _why_ I use killboard. What’s the frikin point of a ‘Combat Log’ that misses out 95% of the combat I’ve been involved in ? Regardless of whether anyone else ‘knows’ what I’ve been involved in…using the in-game system I don’t even know myself ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/487 "2023-10-23T19:42:37Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > It seems to me that you play EVE in search of accolades and recognition. That may bite you in the butt later on. > The less your enemies know about you the better. It’s not about ‘immediate’ recognition, no. I dont expect every kill or loss to be broadcast across Eve in flashing messages. As you rightly say…most people don’t care. It is far more about having a _history_ that can be seen. I have 15 characters…the majority of whom nobody knows they are me. So to me it is all far more about building up a history where people look and will think ’ hmm…that person is to be reckoned with’ rather than ’ sheesh, that person has 2000 losses and no kills and maybe is playing the wrong game’. Perhaps ‘winning’ is the wrong expression…and ‘being better than’ is the right one. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/488 "2023-10-23T20:11:08Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The pathetic uselessness of the in-game system is precisely _why_ I use killboard So for you zKillboard is merely a record of your wins and losses? Or throwing it into the face of a forum member when he complains about the game? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It is far more about having a _history_ that can be seen I don’t like the idea of my kill/losses history being available in a third-party website. It can clearly be used against me which is a major breach in security and intel… but of course, it is useful the other way around so I guess I cannot complain. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and ‘being better than’ is the right one. I don’t see things the same way and that’s ok. But you know, I just realized that we’ve completely highjacked this thread. It’s supposed to be about the cowardice of Nullsec alliances and we derailed it towards zKillboard and who’s better than… Probably my fault. I’m goofy that way. @Destiny_Corrupted I apologize for derailing your thread. @ISD_Traindriver I’m sorry. Please don’t sic the dogs on me 🫣 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/489 "2023-10-23T20:15:10Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > What’s the frikin point of a ‘Combat Log’ that misses out 95% of the combat I’ve been involved in ? It doesn’t though. Just have your blob commander send you the killmail. That is, if your blob commander is collecting it from the person that lands the final hit like a good blob commander should. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/490 "2023-10-23T20:15:58Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > I apologize for derailing your thread. But you aren’t, because Destiny herself had to refer to killboard to make her point. Indeed, without killboard how would anyone even _know_ how Destiny was faring in relation to all those ‘nullsec cowards’ ? What would one conceivably have to go by to know the actual facts ? So in that sense, killboard is totally relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/491 "2023-10-23T20:24:02Z")
**You are right!** I still have to catch some zzzz’s though. Good chatting, Altara 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/492 "2023-10-23T20:29:15Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > I don’t like the idea of my kill/losses history being available in a third-party website. It can clearly be used against me which is a major breach in security and intel… but of course, it is useful the other way around so I guess I cannot complain. If anyone wanted to know your corp ship doctrines they could simply join your corp and get a list…as I have myself done when spying on other corps. What’s more, given Destiny’s context, she scans ships several systems before they come into Amarr so knows your fitting anyway. Gankers like MacGybo can even scan and know exactly what cargo you have and how much it all costs. So…killboard is pretty useless as an ‘immediate’ source of who is flying what. Likewise, everyone who wants to know can easily know that my main corp Absolute Order is based in Oipo. Its no secret. And as you say, KB can be used round the other way…and when I got blapped in lowsec by a laser Praxis my first thought was ’ I must have that fitting’, and sure enough the attacker had lost that exact fitting a little earlier, and that was my introduction to Mega Pulse Laser fitting. So yes, it does work both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/493 "2023-10-25T18:08:40Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I have 15 characters Clearly suffering from schitzophrenia. Therapy with trained nutjob therapist Zaera Keena - 1 billion ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/494 "2023-10-25T21:19:37Z")
Or look up Zkillboard! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/495 "2023-10-29T07:40:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and that was my introduction to Mega Pulse Laser fitting. So yes, it does work both ways. Zkill has many uses as you point out, and I to love Mega pulses ☺ Btw I see some of AO are in caldari militia , are you? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/496 "2023-10-29T18:13:51Z")
I don’t know…faction warfare is not my thing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/497 "2023-10-29T19:21:45Z")
What is your thing? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/498 "2023-10-29T20:28:41Z")
Maybe ask Governor Lee that ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/499 "2023-10-29T21:18:05Z")
I thought it was posting on the forums with her main, while playing the game with an army of alts? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/500 "2023-10-30T12:02:34Z")
I’ll give you a hint, it involves a fast align gnosis. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/501 "2023-10-30T14:57:42Z")
Hey…don’t knock the fast align Gnosis. It now has almost as much DPS as a Catalyst, up to 20km, and 205 DPS on top of that from Drones. 900 DPS in all. Nifty and cheap, and great for lowsec ratting too. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/502 "2023-10-30T17:39:58Z")
I am guessing that you mine with it aswell. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nullsec-alliance-cowardice-ladder/418078/503 "2023-10-30T18:46:52Z")
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